Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:12 am  

Bazzer b cherry and white wrote:

can't shout for the stains but........havin a good laugh @ wAnky wire

What a prize chump. Masterclass in how to make yourself look an idiot. Hope your enjoyed your brief little laugh.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:08 pm  

Hilty wrote:

I really didn't think it was obstruction, for me it was a fair try, the unfortunate thing is the amount that get disallowed wrongly over the season.

Lomax at Bradford being a recent case.

It's difficult to say if it is or isnt I suppose (being as the rules seem to change every year) but it seems funny that whenever we get Ian Smith he 'interprets' them in whatever way most disadvantages Saints.

In my simple view of 'obstruction' though the question is simple, was Meli obstructed from making a challenge and in my view he was.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:07 pm  

Id like to see Saints make the 8th though to be honest. Reckon they'd offer more than what, say, Salford would offer.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:59 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

In my simple view of 'obstruction' though the question is simple, was Meli obstructed from making a challenge and in my view he was.

Having just watched the match back, I would agree with you. But it was Smith as VR and there was no way he was going to give us anything. He's probably still seeing Daniel Anderson in his dreams.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:11 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I don't mind the decision, but I just wish we had some consistency. The one at Bradford that was denied was identical to that. In that case the dummy runner was Ashurst who was ambling along and brushed the Bradford defender. He recovered and got an unsuccessful tackle in on Lomax who scored. Disallowed as the runner had made contact.

Tonight the runner ran at the defensive line, he didn't target a gap, he ran at whoever was inside Meli. Meli was also drawn to him and he hit both players, causing the try. You can interpret it two ways, either a poor read by Meli and give the try, but you cannot give it a different way to the way you interpreted an identical incident in a game a couple of weeks previously.

Inconsistency is a major issue in SL. Look at Foster on Monaghan. Players sliding on the wet grass, Foster spins him out. Penalty given. Second half, truly identical incident Monaghan on Foster. Scrum to defense given. It's times like those that just make you want to grab the idiotic b"%^$"%$" and knock him onto Tesco carpark. The key decisions tonight you could argue were 50:50s. But you cannot give them a different way each time. If that obstruction happens next week in another game Smith would disallow it.

it really wasn't, and theres not point going into it any further since its you.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:31 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

it really wasn't, and theres not point going into it any further since its you.

Correct it wasn't. Monaghan actually released Foster and his momentum took him over the touch line.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:36 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

it really wasn't, and theres not point going into it any further since its you.

No, it wasn't. Monaghan was clever. He played the ref. I think Foster learned a valuable lesson there.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:54 pm  

Even though foster wasn't happy with friday"s result,latest news from st'helens suggests he's made up with his new car after winning the crossbar challenge.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:31 am  

I just think Saints are still a little behind the other 3 clubs in team development, following their disjointed start to the season. Hopefully we can get everything in order for the playoffs.

Regarding refs/VR decisions:
I decided a while ago that (in order not to drive myself bonkers) the only time you can critcise an official call is if there is 100% no reason or excuse that the decision went against us (ie this season Hardaker's try at Headingly following a massive forward pass, or Bradford having an extra tackle at Odsal). However, it is hard to swallow when you compare the Lomax no try from Odsal with the Wire try from friday (even other supporters must understand us feeling a little hard done to, if you compare these).

We had a bad start and perhaps the comeback took too much out of us to then close it down. We didn't get the bounce of the ball on a couple of occasions, perhaps, but we let some silly mistakes ruin a lot of good work - eastomnd's excellent long kick which he followed up with a high tackle, or us getting a scrum in their terriory and Lomax knocking on in the first play. As the wet conditions continued, we seemed to loose to many balls, when we should have closed things down. Our pack had got to grips with Wire and I thought I could see the old crazy wolf team emerging, desperate to throw those panicy offloads, but they regained their composure (much thanks to the reintroduction of Monoghan) and came back.

I was sorry to see the re-emergence of Jammer's temper tantrum in the first 15 minutes. I thought (hoped) we'd seen the last of that sort of thing.

In answer to Rogues question. I can't talk surely about wages, but LMS is a much more impressive player than Hargreaves. Who was an able squad member, bot you'd never want him as anything more than a 4th choice prop (at a top half table club). Louis's had queit days (the wigan game), but sometimes you'd see Bryn against big packs and think that he wasn't quite up to it physically. LMS showed some decent go forward in the face of the biggest team around on Friday, although I think he takes a few strides to get his strength up, rather than being able to drive in the tackle like Perry, Clough or Graham.

I'm waiting for the announcement of signing Chris Hill or another prop, as I think we really need another squad member in this position. Although Laffranchi has been vaunted as a prop for next year, I see him playing the role as our 3rd prop (which is everyone elses loose forward). As soon as we get an injury in this group of players, our pack looks light.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:39 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

In answer to Rogues question. I can't talk surely about wages, but LMS is a much more impressive player than Hargreaves. Who was an able squad member, bot you'd never want him as anything more than a 4th choice prop (at a top half table club). Louis's had queit days (the wigan game), but sometimes you'd see Bryn against big packs and think that he wasn't quite up to it physically. LMS showed some decent go forward in the face of the biggest team around on Friday, although I think he takes a few strides to get his strength up, rather than being able to drive in the tackle like Perry, Clough or Graham.

I read somewhere that LMSs metres per carry is second only to Tony Puletua out of the top 25 metre makers in Super League. Some 1.5 metres more than Ginger Graham.

He's made a fine start, just needs to add some ego and chest beating intimidating to his game. I thought he was great at the weekend. Everyone bleats on about Morley, but look at the first hit Morley put in and what it actually did to LMS, then look who LMS runs the ball at the next few times he's running it up away from the line or following kick offs, Morley.