Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Here's a question for you all, especially Ski.


Is LMS is really that much (salary cap wise) better than Bryn. Could the money have been better spent elsewhere?

To be fair I thought LMS had a better match tonight than last week, (although not that hard) I think the problem for bryn was that he offered no more than any other average forward, which I think some of the Bradford fans have noticed this year. He will do hard work but offers little else, LMS just seams to be under performing from what we expected, but then so has perry. The only difference has been that Perry has been in and out with injury so has some reason for his patchy form. LMS has had consistent games, could just be a case of a good player standing out in a poor team, where as at Saints he does not catch the eye like Soliola, TP and Graham.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:52 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Here's a question for you all, especially Ski.


Is LMS is really that much (salary cap wise) better than Bryn. Could the money have been better spent elsewhere?

I still think it's a bit early to call, if you were to compare both at this stage in their first season at Saints, then I believe we've gotten more out of LMS so far, BUT he needs to improve and will only do that with more game time and less time on the physio's bench. I think he could be a superb player, but as we know props only tend to reach their peak in their late 20's so LMS still has plenty of time to mature.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:52 pm  

Fishsta wrote:

Some of the tackling on display is brutal stuff.

Apart from Morley's high shot, it's been a relatively clean match so far.

I hope that try from the forward pass doesn't end up being the difference in this game. This game doesn't deserve that.

Good to watch.

Can i have the lottery numbers this week please? Got one prediction right so far

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:53 pm  

Tony Stark wrote:

Exactly and if we ever get Clough and Pryce back (the later i am finding increasingly doubtful) and both can produce some usual form, and of course we don't get any other injuries, I think we are in great shape team wise. What concerns me is the levels of intensity we put in, it is so up and down. I'd also like to see us stop using the drop off pass after first receiver as it clearly doesn't work in gaining yards and is easier to read than a copy of the Daily Sport.

I think the Daily sport is really hard to read at the moment, aren't they out of business?????

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:55 pm  

Ziggy Stardust wrote:

The obstruction certainly was, it sent Meli (a large bloke) in a spin which made him lose his balance and stopped him being able to put his full weight into the tackle he was turning around to make. If it had been say Sam Tomkins or Myler then they would have been put well into backplay after the contact and obstruction would have been given straight away.

I don't mind the decision, but I just wish we had some consistency. The one at Bradford that was denied was identical to that. In that case the dummy runner was Ashurst who was ambling along and brushed the Bradford defender. He recovered and got an unsuccessful tackle in on Lomax who scored. Disallowed as the runner had made contact.

Tonight the runner ran at the defensive line, he didn't target a gap, he ran at whoever was inside Meli. Meli was also drawn to him and he hit both players, causing the try. You can interpret it two ways, either a poor read by Meli and give the try, but you cannot give it a different way to the way you interpreted an identical incident in a game a couple of weeks previously.

Inconsistency is a major issue in SL. Look at Foster on Monaghan. Players sliding on the wet grass, Foster spins him out. Penalty given. Second half, truly identical incident Monaghan on Foster. Scrum to defense given. It's times like those that just make you want to grab the idiotic b"%^$"%$" and knock him onto Tesco carpark. The key decisions tonight you could argue were 50:50s. But you cannot give them a different way each time. If that obstruction happens next week in another game Smith would disallow it.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:57 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I think the Daily sport is really hard to read at the moment, aren't they out of business?????

I didn't say it had to be a current copy

I'm sure there are probably loads of old copies in the woods of sankey valley

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:01 pm  

Tony Stark wrote:

I still think it's a bit early to call, if you were to compare both at this stage in their first season at Saints, then I believe we've gotten more out of LMS so far, BUT he needs to improve and will only do that with more game time and less time on the physio's bench. I think he could be a superb player, but as we know props only tend to reach their peak in their late 20's so LMS still has plenty of time to mature.

But what I'm talking about is value per £. I don't know what their respective salaries are but I'll hazard a guess that LMS is on a LOT more than Hargreaves.
To compare them in their first season is a little unfair, as Hargreaves was much younger, I think I commented then that he would be "solid" for you but never a star.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:16 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I don't mind the decision, but I just wish we had some consistency. The one at Bradford that was denied was identical to that. In that case the dummy runner was Ashurst who was ambling along and brushed the Bradford defender. He recovered and got an unsuccessful tackle in on Lomax who scored. Disallowed as the runner had made contact.

Tonight the runner ran at the defensive line, he didn't target a gap, he ran at whoever was inside Meli. Meli was also drawn to him and he hit both players, causing the try. You can interpret it two ways, either a poor read by Meli and give the try, but you cannot give it a different way to the way you interpreted an identical incident in a game a couple of weeks previously.

Inconsistency is a major issue in SL. Look at Foster on Monaghan. Players sliding on the wet grass, Foster spins him out. Penalty given. Second half, truly identical incident Monaghan on Foster. Scrum to defense given. It's times like those that just make you want to grab the idiotic b"%^$"%$" and knock him onto Tesco carpark. The key decisions tonight you could argue were 50:50s. But you cannot give them a different way each time. If that obstruction happens next week in another game Smith would disallow it.

Inconsistency is the biggest failure in SL and will continue to be. The Foster and Monaghan incidents you talk about are completly ridiculous, pretty identical, neither attacking player stopped their forward momentum but they were both lobbed into touch with different decisions.

The Meli incident would be peanilsed in every match if it was a smaller player recieving the same impact Bridge gave to Meli, the fact is Meli although dodgy at times is a big unit that takes some shifting and the impact impeded his ability to defend the situation to his full ability.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:17 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

But what I'm talking about is value per £. I don't know what their respective salaries are but I'll hazard a guess that LMS is on a LOT more than Hargreaves.
To compare them in their first season is a little unfair, as Hargreaves was much younger, I think I commented then that he would be "solid" for you but never a star.

Knowing the board I would highly doubt it would be as much as you think between the two salaries, LMS will undoubtably be on slightly more due to a number of factors but I would wager it won't be that much more.

Having said that i'm guessing LMS came to us with more first team starts under his belt and as a player still very much wanted by his club whereas I got the opinion Bryn certainly didn't feel wanted by Wigan at the time.

I think Louie is more of an athlete and could play a role similar to TP later down the line, IF he progresses.

Re: Dire v Saints game thread .. : Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:20 pm  

Louie is already a cracking player. He's not physically massive and has clearly been working on integrating himself into the team and the defense in particular. At Quins he was teeing off left right and centre and bossing things. That will come next season I feel as he becomes comfortable with who he's playing next to and when he learns the attacking shapes and patterns. Playing for Saints is very different to Quins.