Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:55 am  

dirtbag83 wrote:

Eastmond is standing out above Tomkins at the minute because he is standing out for your men, whereas Tomkins is being outshone by a lot of his team-mates (including his brother) who are all in good form, although he's hardly been rubbish. I think that Eastmond is easily the better physical athlete out of the two. You can tell that just by looking at him. But in terms of rugby league skills such as distribution and kicking there really isn't anything between them

Both are very exciting and different players. I still believe Sam has a more all round game to his than Kyle, both compliment eachother superbly when playing together but you only have to look back at some of Sam's assists to realise he's a completely different style of half back to Eastmond, watch out for Sam's pass to Pat yesterday for his 2nd try. It took some scoring but the pass was superb and has developed his attacking kicks this year as well. As it has been said, Kyle's playing out of his skin but there aren't many other Saints players challenging him on a consistent basis. Whereas at Wigan we've had Roberts, Joel Tomkins, Pat Richards and Locky all playing consistent rugby week in week out which makes it harder for Sam to have the lime light unlike last year.

Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:19 pm  

Mini Rogue wrote:

Both are very exciting and different players. I still believe Sam has a more all round game to his than Kyle, both compliment eachother superbly when playing together but you only have to look back at some of Sam's assists to realise he's a completely different style of half back to Eastmond, watch out for Sam's pass to Pat yesterday for his 2nd try. It took some scoring but the pass was superb and has developed his attacking kicks this year as well. As it has been said, Kyle's playing out of his skin but there aren't many other Saints players challenging him on a consistent basis. Whereas at Wigan we've had Roberts, Joel Tomkins, Pat Richards and Locky all playing consistent rugby week in week out which makes it harder for Sam to have the lime light unlike last year.

Unless Tomkins bent the ball around a corner I doubt it's anything Eastmond hasn't already achieved. As far as kicking goes, I don't see any difference.

It's the same with just about every Wiganer that frequents this site. "Eastmond ... blah blah blah ... good player ... blah blah ... more athletic ... blah blah ... BUT Tomkins is better ... "

The truth is - and I know this is difficult to hear - right now, the pair are just about equal in their abilities (it's worth remembering that Eastmond is the younger of the two by nearly a year). Eastmond is faster off the mark and more explosive. Tomkins appears to be the better organiser (although it's not easy to quantify this attribute).

Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:22 pm  

Odemwingie wrote:

Tomkins won the young player of the year award last year, he didn't win it for no reason. He won that award over Eastmond.

Eastmond didn't play anywhere near as many games as Tomkins last season. Kyle was still fill-in for Longy and only played when Longy was injured and then on about three occasions at centre when Wheeler was injured. So it really isn't surprising that Tomkins won, is it, given the number of times he played as opposed to the number of times Eastmond played?

I don't know when players stop being Young Players but things may be different this season if Kyle continues to develop as he is doing presently. The two play different positions and they are different players but to my mind they are equally as good at present. The difference between them is that Kyle has more flash.

Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:08 pm  

Mini Rogue wrote:

Both are very exciting and different players. I still believe Sam has a more all round game to his than Kyle, both compliment eachother superbly when playing together but you only have to look back at some of Sam's assists to realise he's a completely different style of half back to Eastmond, watch out for Sam's pass to Pat yesterday for his 2nd try. It took some scoring but the pass was superb and has developed his attacking kicks this year as well. As it has been said, Kyle's playing out of his skin but there aren't many other Saints players challenging him on a consistent basis. Whereas at Wigan we've had Roberts, Joel Tomkins, Pat Richards and Locky all playing consistent rugby week in week out which makes it harder for Sam to have the lime light unlike last year.

You could just as easily say that it's a lot easier to look good as a half back when the players around you are performing well. FWIW I don't think there's much between them - it's just nice to be talking about a genuinely exciting GB/England halfback partnership in the making.

Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:43 pm  

Dux wrote:

You could just as easily say that it's a lot easier to look good as a half back when the players around you are performing well. FWIW I don't think there's much between them - it's just nice to be talking about a genuinely exciting GB/England halfback partnership in the making.

Correct, looking at the stats there isn't. Kyle is probably more of a running back though with Sam being a bit more organised. As I said both completely different style of players who are a joy to watch for either team when on top form.

Re: Super Kylo : Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:48 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Just utterly outstanding. That try was just utterly sensational,

Having watched the Super League Show tonight, finally, I personally thought it wasn't as good as you make out. There was some terrible defence, all he really had to do was run and step.

Compared to the effort Quins had to go to to score against you, having seemingly far superior defence, I just didn't think it was anything to really talk about.

Not to take anything away from Kyle, but compared to other tries he's scored in his (so far short) career, I think that try against Quins is a poor example to pick if you were going to present "Kyle Eastmond's best try".

To be more specific, when we sat down to watch it, I mentioned this thread to the missus, saying "Eastmond's try is supposed to be superb". We both thought he must score again or something... But he doesn't.

Re: Super Kylo : Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:03 am  

Fishsta wrote:

Having watched the Super League Show tonight, finally, I personally thought it wasn't as good as you make out. There was some terrible defence, all he really had to do was run and step.

Compared to the effort Quins had to go to to score against you, having seemingly far superior defence, I just didn't think it was anything to really talk about.

Not to take anything away from Kyle, but compared to other tries he's scored in his (so far short) career, I think that try against Quins is a poor example to pick if you were going to present "Kyle Eastmond's best try".

To be more specific, when we sat down to watch it, I mentioned this thread to the missus, saying "Eastmond's try is supposed to be superb". We both thought he must score again or something... But he doesn't.

Because you are so anti St Helens. Bryn Hargreaves could run 100m, beating every single wigan player, stopping short of the line, running back to his own ingoal area, then doing the same thing again, beating every wigan player and touching down under the posts and you still wouldnt think it was a great try.

Re: Super Kylo : Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:44 am  

Fishsta wrote:

Having watched the Super League Show tonight, finally, I personally thought it wasn't as good as you make out. There was some terrible defence, all he really had to do was run and step.

Duh. Try scored as a result of poor defence shocker.

All tries are scored as a result of poor defence otherwise they would be stopped ... by the defence.

It was a 'superb' try because of the way he timed his run, caught the ball, sidestepped the opposition at speed, legged it, fended, switched the ball from one hand to the other while in motion, and successfully put the ball down. All in one fast, graceful movement. You really are bitter if you can't see the beauty in a try like that.

Re: Super Kylo : Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:01 am  

Fishsta wrote:

Yes I am a one eyed bitter sadsac

Good lad.

Re: Super Kylo : Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:25 am  

Fishsta wrote:

Having watched the Super League Show tonight, finally, I personally thought it wasn't as good as you make out. There was some terrible defence, all he really had to do was run and step.

Compared to the effort Quins had to go to to score against you, having seemingly far superior defence, I just didn't think it was anything to really talk about.

Not to take anything away from Kyle, but compared to other tries he's scored in his (so far short) career, I think that try against Quins is a poor example to pick if you were going to present "Kyle Eastmond's best try".

To be more specific, when we sat down to watch it, I mentioned this thread to the missus, saying "Eastmond's try is supposed to be superb". We both thought he must score again or something... But he doesn't.

Sad bast*rd.

Really is hurting the pies that Eastmond is a better player than their saviour.