Re: Rowley : Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:22 am  

You have to have an enormous dose of luck with these things. Smith came highly recommended by loads of people, including Chev Walker who talked him up. Not all coaches and playing groups match for whatever reason. Sts have appointed both Holbrook and Woolf, who had similar reps to Smith, but have worked out much better for Saints.

There can definitely be a bias that the grass is always greener on the other side. For me though, a coach like Rowley seems to get the most out of his players and improves them, coaches a really attractive brand and manages to get a small pack to play with aggression. Smith hasn't managed any of those for me in the last two seasons (especially improving players).

Re: Rowley : Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:09 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

Compare our appointments to Saints appointments and tell me again why they are light years better than we are over the last 10 years.

Brian McDermott won more individually than each of those Saints coaches, and now is in the NRL.

It's not as simple as getting the coaching appointment right and success follows shortly.

The best Saints player is Welsby, who came through their own academy system, with a significant number of the rest of their squad. We're still playing catch-up with youth development to the likes of Saints and Wigan, and paying a premium in tranfer fees for signings as well as salaries to compensate.

I don't think we're in the same position as we were at the end of 2003. Maybe in a few years if the talented kids keep coming through.

If we're lucky we might emulate the Murray era team, but we don't seem to have the forwards. Bentley may be tough but he ain't Marc Glanville

Re: Rowley : Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:44 am  

Jack Burton wrote:

Agar coached us to a CC, and Smith got us to a GF. They weren't, and aren't necessarily bad coaches. Timing seems to have more of an impact as much as anything else. Sometimes, you can have a good coach, but they're not the right person for the job at that particular time.

Please !

We won one decent game in that cup win and that was in horrendous conditions at Wigan (yes we played well )
We were bloody awful in the Final .

Yes Smith did well to take us to a Grand Final , but we are not at that standard now despite spending more money , in fact we are not far off where we were when he took over

Re: Rowley : Thu Apr 11, 2024 12:51 pm  

So you make excuses for when we win, but don't accept them when we lose? That doesn't seem logically consistent.

The point was that the timing of when a coach is hired, is just as important as who the coach is.

Powell was the right coach in 2002, but he wasn't in 2004. McClennen was the right man in 2008 to take over fromTS, but it was time for a change when McDermott came in.

Millward was great at Saints, but terrible at Wigan. Tim Sheens is one of the greatest coaches of all time at Canberra and initially at Wests, but was poor at KR. Tony Smith was superb at Leeds and Warrington, and good at KR, but Hull have been dreadful with him in charge. Does that make them bad coaches, or are they the wrong coach at the wrong time?

I'm very sceptical about RS, and I highly doubt he's the right coach for where we are now, as a club, but I definitely don't think he's a bad coach.

Re: Rowley : Thu Apr 11, 2024 2:23 pm  

Jack Burton wrote:

So you make excuses for when we win, but don't accept them when we lose? That doesn't seem logically consistent.

The point was that the timing of when a coach is hired, is just as important as who the coach is.

Powell was the right coach in 2002, but he wasn't in 2004. McClennen was the right man in 2008 to take over fromTS, but it was time for a change when McDermott came in.

Millward was great at Saints, but terrible at Wigan. Tim Sheens is one of the greatest coaches of all time at Canberra and initially at Wests, but was poor at KR. Tony Smith was superb at Leeds and Warrington, and good at KR, but Hull have been dreadful with him in charge. Does that make them bad coaches, or are they the wrong coach at the wrong time?

I'm very sceptical about RS, and I highly doubt he's the right coach for where we are now, as a club, but I definitely don't think he's a bad coach.

Dont be so sensible, dont you know this is no place for that

Re: Rowley : Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:31 pm  

Jack Burton wrote:

So you make excuses for when we win, but don't accept them when we lose? That doesn't seem logically consistent.

The point was that the timing of when a coach is hired, is just as important as who the coach is.

Powell was the right coach in 2002, but he wasn't in 2004. McClennen was the right man in 2008 to take over fromTS, but it was time for a change when McDermott came in.

Millward was great at Saints, but terrible at Wigan. Tim Sheens is one of the greatest coaches of all time at Canberra and initially at Wests, but was poor at KR. Tony Smith was superb at Leeds and Warrington, and good at KR, but Hull have been dreadful with him in charge. Does that make them bad coaches, or are they the wrong coach at the wrong time?

I'm very sceptical about RS, and I highly doubt he's the right coach for where we are now, as a club, but I definitely don't think he's a bad coach.

Off goes his head on goes a turnip!

Re: Rowley : Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:02 pm  

Jack Burton wrote:

So you make excuses for when we win, but don't accept them when we lose? That doesn't seem logically consistent.

The point was that the timing of when a coach is hired, is just as important as who the coach is.

Powell was the right coach in 2002, but he wasn't in 2004. McClennen was the right man in 2008 to take over fromTS, but it was time for a change when McDermott came in.

Millward was great at Saints, but terrible at Wigan. Tim Sheens is one of the greatest coaches of all time at Canberra and initially at Wests, but was poor at KR. Tony Smith was superb at Leeds and Warrington, and good at KR, but Hull have been dreadful with him in charge. Does that make them bad coaches, or are they the wrong coach at the wrong time?

Tony Smith had all the tools in the bag at Wire but still could not get a Grand Final victory .

At the moment I would say his Nephew is a poor coach because our tactics are dreadful and i see no improvement in any individuals




I'm very sceptical about RS, and I highly doubt he's the right coach for where we are now, as a club, but I definitely don't think he's a bad coach.

Re: Rowley : Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:24 pm  

Hull FC have reportedly offered Rowley the head coach position for 2025. If the board are starting to think in terms of exiting Smith, you would think this might lend events a degree if urgency.

Re: Rowley : Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:52 pm  

Shabino wrote:

Who knows. Good coaches on paper don’t seem to have quite worked out for us…..
Furner seemed a great fit…!

He may well have been given a bit more time , JJB stuck his oar in and got his best mate to get rid of him though

Re: Rowley : Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:17 pm  

He's staying at Salford, apparently