Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:13 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

The frustration about the signings from the Championship is the deficiency this shows in the academy set up. We spend so much money yet we have to bring in low grade Championship players to augment the squad - surely that is what the academy is there for. Are any of these signings better than Broadbent - really?

We haven't signed any centres from the championship have we? Is Broadbent better than Newman, McDonald or Martin as centre. Definitely not. Academy (champions last year) players tend to be 18 or younger. Smith, quite rightly, doesn't think throwing 18 year old lads in with fully grown men is a wise way forward. Better to develop them in the reserves or on loan. Which of our championship signings do you have a problem with? McDonnell came from the Championship and forced his way into the first team in a very short time; McDonald looks our biggest attacking threat; Ruan had a great pre season and is starting for Bradford; Roberts scored a belter away at Leigh and also got one last week; Hooley had a shocker in a gale force wind at the most inhospitable ground in the league, but a bit premature to judge him on that. Which players would you have signed for this year?

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 11:00 am  

Some interesting stats below in particular Cam Smith, James Bentley and Blake Austin.

Tackles
Rhinos loose forward Cameron Smith has now emerged as the competition's overall leaders after producing a whooping 64 tackles against Hull KR for Leeds Rhinos. The fact Jarrod O'Connor is second across the whole round too demonstrates just how many errors with the ball Leeds made last week.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (64), Jarrod O'Connor (58), Matty Lees & Benjamin Garcia (47)
Overall leaders: Cameron Smith (305), Nathan Peats (285), Jai Whitbread (280)

Missed tackles
Oliver Russell and Edwin Ipape once again find themselves among the leading culprits for missed tackles this week. The overall 'crown' remains with Hull KR's Mikey Lewis.

Round leaders: Oliver Russell & Edwin Ipape (8), Sam Stone & James Bentley (7)
Overall leaders: Mikey Lewis (33), Jacob Miller and Micky McIlorum (29)

Tackle busts
Not only did he score two tries, but Konrad Hurrell also had plenty of fun with his carries, recording a week-high of eight tackle busts. Tim Lafai, despite missing the last two of the last three games, remains the competition's overall leader.

Round leaders: Konrad Hurrell (8), Tommy Makinson, Jai Field & Sauaso Sue (7)
Overall leaders: Tim Lafai (38), Bevan French (37), Jai Field & Arthur Mourgue (34)

Carries
It was a busy night for Rhinos forward smith as he was also the competition's leading ball carrier last week. The loose forward is getting through some work for his side. Jacob Miller and George Williams were typically among the leading carriers too.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (24), Jacob Miller (23), George Williams (22)
Overall leaders: George Williams (167), John Asiata (154), Jacob Miller (148)

Metres
Not one, but two new members to the 200+ club, with Wigan's Abbas Miski recording the highest figure of the season with 278 during the Warriors' win over Leigh Leopards. Paul Vaughan is now the outright leader. He posted 191 this week, which amazingly wasn't good enough to be in the top three of the week.

Round leaders: Abbas Miski (278), Matt Dufty (227), Bevan French (199)
Overall leaders: Paul Vaughan (1202), Josh Charnley (1041), George Williams (1011)

Errors
It was a tough debut for Luke Hooley. Jordan Abdull's aerial bombardment caused him and Leeds all sorts of issues and he came up with five errors during the match. Jai Field is now the leader overall.

Round leaders : Luke Hooley (5), Matt Dufty & Mahe Fonua (4)
Overall leaders: Jai Field (14), Rhyse Martin (13), Mason Lino (12)

Offloads
For a second week running, Toby King comes out on top with five offloads. It means he's now the joint leader overall, tying with Huddersfield's Esan Marsters.

Round leaders: Toby King (5), Konrad Hurrell, Paul Vaughan & Thomas Mikaele (4)
Overall leaders: Esan Marsters & Toby King (16), Kai O'Donnell & Julian Bousquet (13)

Penalties
Owen Trout may have bagged a double but he was also guilty of making the referee blow his whistle three times during Huddersfield's win over Salford Red Devils, with Mark Sneyd doing the same. He's now the co-leader for penalties conceded alongside Blake Austin.

Round leaders: Owen Trout & Marc Sneyd (3), Four others (2)
Overall leaders: Blake Austin & Marc Sneyd (8), six others (6)

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:01 pm  

The mistake when looking at the 'championship' players is looking at them as though they should all be in the first 17, when most were never intended to be playing regularly. Having to sign these guys is an indictment of Leeds' junior development - not from the last year or so, but going back 5 or more years. We've somehow not managed to produce many good players, had a small first team squad that was underperforming and some way off the best on paper, and yet were right at the cap. Smith came in halfway through last season with the remit of sorting this utter mess out. Frankly in terms of squad he's achieved more in less than one year than I thought anyone could, but a lot more needs to be done.

That doesn't change the fact we're now not playing well consistently and he needs to fix it. We've shown we can compete, now we need to play to our potential.

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:46 pm  

chapylad wrote:

Some interesting stats below in particular Cam Smith, James Bentley and Blake Austin.

Tackles
Rhinos loose forward Cameron Smith has now emerged as the competition's overall leaders after producing a whooping 64 tackles against Hull KR for Leeds Rhinos. The fact Jarrod O'Connor is second across the whole round too demonstrates just how many errors with the ball Leeds made last week.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (64), Jarrod O'Connor (58), Matty Lees & Benjamin Garcia (47)
Overall leaders: Cameron Smith (305), Nathan Peats (285), Jai Whitbread (280)

Missed tackles
Oliver Russell and Edwin Ipape once again find themselves among the leading culprits for missed tackles this week. The overall 'crown' remains with Hull KR's Mikey Lewis.

Round leaders: Oliver Russell & Edwin Ipape (8), Sam Stone & James Bentley (7)
Overall leaders: Mikey Lewis (33), Jacob Miller and Micky McIlorum (29)

Tackle busts
Not only did he score two tries, but Konrad Hurrell also had plenty of fun with his carries, recording a week-high of eight tackle busts. Tim Lafai, despite missing the last two of the last three games, remains the competition's overall leader.

Round leaders: Konrad Hurrell (8), Tommy Makinson, Jai Field & Sauaso Sue (7)
Overall leaders: Tim Lafai (38), Bevan French (37), Jai Field & Arthur Mourgue (34)

Carries
It was a busy night for Rhinos forward smith as he was also the competition's leading ball carrier last week. The loose forward is getting through some work for his side. Jacob Miller and George Williams were typically among the leading carriers too.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (24), Jacob Miller (23), George Williams (22)
Overall leaders: George Williams (167), John Asiata (154), Jacob Miller (148)

Metres
Not one, but two new members to the 200+ club, with Wigan's Abbas Miski recording the highest figure of the season with 278 during the Warriors' win over Leigh Leopards. Paul Vaughan is now the outright leader. He posted 191 this week, which amazingly wasn't good enough to be in the top three of the week.

Round leaders: Abbas Miski (278), Matt Dufty (227), Bevan French (199)
Overall leaders: Paul Vaughan (1202), Josh Charnley (1041), George Williams (1011)

Errors
It was a tough debut for Luke Hooley. Jordan Abdull's aerial bombardment caused him and Leeds all sorts of issues and he came up with five errors during the match. Jai Field is now the leader overall.

Round leaders : Luke Hooley (5), Matt Dufty & Mahe Fonua (4)
Overall leaders: Jai Field (14), Rhyse Martin (13), Mason Lino (12)

Offloads
For a second week running, Toby King comes out on top with five offloads. It means he's now the joint leader overall, tying with Huddersfield's Esan Marsters.

Round leaders: Toby King (5), Konrad Hurrell, Paul Vaughan & Thomas Mikaele (4)
Overall leaders: Esan Marsters & Toby King (16), Kai O'Donnell & Julian Bousquet (13)

Penalties
Owen Trout may have bagged a double but he was also guilty of making the referee blow his whistle three times during Huddersfield's win over Salford Red Devils, with Mark Sneyd doing the same. He's now the co-leader for penalties conceded alongside Blake Austin.

Round leaders: Owen Trout & Marc Sneyd (3), Four others (2)
Overall leaders: Blake Austin & Marc Sneyd (8), six others (6)

Imagine how we could use Hurrell now if we kept him!

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:49 pm  

he wasnt worth keeping

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 4:29 pm  

chapylad wrote:

Some interesting stats below in particular Cam Smith, James Bentley and Blake Austin.

Tackles
Rhinos loose forward Cameron Smith has now emerged as the competition's overall leaders after producing a whooping 64 tackles against Hull KR for Leeds Rhinos. The fact Jarrod O'Connor is second across the whole round too demonstrates just how many errors with the ball Leeds made last week.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (64), Jarrod O'Connor (58), Matty Lees & Benjamin Garcia (47)
Overall leaders: Cameron Smith (305), Nathan Peats (285), Jai Whitbread (280)

Missed tackles
Oliver Russell and Edwin Ipape once again find themselves among the leading culprits for missed tackles this week. The overall 'crown' remains with Hull KR's Mikey Lewis.

Round leaders: Oliver Russell & Edwin Ipape (8), Sam Stone & James Bentley (7)
Overall leaders: Mikey Lewis (33), Jacob Miller and Micky McIlorum (29)

Tackle busts
Not only did he score two tries, but Konrad Hurrell also had plenty of fun with his carries, recording a week-high of eight tackle busts. Tim Lafai, despite missing the last two of the last three games, remains the competition's overall leader.

Round leaders: Konrad Hurrell (8), Tommy Makinson, Jai Field & Sauaso Sue (7)
Overall leaders: Tim Lafai (38), Bevan French (37), Jai Field & Arthur Mourgue (34)

Carries
It was a busy night for Rhinos forward smith as he was also the competition's leading ball carrier last week. The loose forward is getting through some work for his side. Jacob Miller and George Williams were typically among the leading carriers too.

Round leaders: Cameron Smith (24), Jacob Miller (23), George Williams (22)
Overall leaders: George Williams (167), John Asiata (154), Jacob Miller (148)

Metres
Not one, but two new members to the 200+ club, with Wigan's Abbas Miski recording the highest figure of the season with 278 during the Warriors' win over Leigh Leopards. Paul Vaughan is now the outright leader. He posted 191 this week, which amazingly wasn't good enough to be in the top three of the week.

Round leaders: Abbas Miski (278), Matt Dufty (227), Bevan French (199)
Overall leaders: Paul Vaughan (1202), Josh Charnley (1041), George Williams (1011)

Errors
It was a tough debut for Luke Hooley. Jordan Abdull's aerial bombardment caused him and Leeds all sorts of issues and he came up with five errors during the match. Jai Field is now the leader overall.

Round leaders : Luke Hooley (5), Matt Dufty & Mahe Fonua (4)
Overall leaders: Jai Field (14), Rhyse Martin (13), Mason Lino (12)

Offloads
For a second week running, Toby King comes out on top with five offloads. It means he's now the joint leader overall, tying with Huddersfield's Esan Marsters.

Round leaders: Toby King (5), Konrad Hurrell, Paul Vaughan & Thomas Mikaele (4)
Overall leaders: Esan Marsters & Toby King (16), Kai O'Donnell & Julian Bousquet (13)

Penalties
Owen Trout may have bagged a double but he was also guilty of making the referee blow his whistle three times during Huddersfield's win over Salford Red Devils, with Mark Sneyd doing the same. He's now the co-leader for penalties conceded alongside Blake Austin.

Round leaders: Owen Trout & Marc Sneyd (3), Four others (2)
Overall leaders: Blake Austin & Marc Sneyd (8), six others (6)

7 missed tackles for Bentley, pretty disgraceful for a senior player. Smith really needs to start dropping these high end players who are not doing enough. Take a leaf out off his uncles book, or even go full Graham Murray.

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:58 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

7 missed tackles for Bentley, pretty disgraceful for a senior player. Smith really needs to start dropping these high end players who are not doing enough. Take a leaf out off his uncles book, or even go full Graham Murray.

Smith is certainly leading the way with the amount of tackles and carries.
And all this clamouring for Mikey Lewis yet he`s the worse in the league for missed tackles.
Rhyse Martin doesn`t go unnoticed either.

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:11 am  

chapylad wrote:

Smith is certainly leading the way with the amount of tackles and carries.
And all this clamouring for Mikey Lewis yet he`s the worse in the league for missed tackles.
Rhyse Martin doesn`t go unnoticed either.

Yeh I'm not sure on Lewis tbh.
Decent prospect, but nothing more yet for me.
Abdul is different league.

Smith and O'Connor will always top our tackle count.
Always the first ones into the tackle down the middle.

An it confirms that Austin is a penalty machine.
Often gives stupid ones in key positions as well.

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:29 am  

Simmo71 wrote:

Yeh I'm not sure on Lewis tbh.
Decent prospect, but nothing more yet for me.
Abdul is different league.

Smith and O'Connor will always top our tackle count.
Always the first ones into the tackle down the middle.

An it confirms that Austin is a penalty machine.
Often gives stupid ones in key positions as well.

Stats are a useful indicative tool however they may not paint a true picture. Maybe Austin receives more penalties because in recent weeks he seems to be in the thick of the action. Credit to him he always seems committed. Abdul is a superbly talented kicker, his running game seems limited.
Watched the first half of wire and hull, Williams produced a master class of rugby, everything was on view, strong running plus tactical kicking. He absolutely controlled the game. As for tackling the union boys have come up with the phrase dominant tackle, which I think is a useful stat.

Re: SL RD 7 | Hull KR (A) : Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:50 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

7 missed tackles for Bentley, pretty disgraceful for a senior player. Smith really needs to start dropping these high end players who are not doing enough. Take a leaf out off his uncles book, or even go full Graham Murray.

Wonder what the reason is for the down turn in performance with some players Bentley usually dose a ton of tackling.