Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:08 pm  

I expected us to beat Leeds tonight given you've got a few more than us out. But lets not pretend Saints couldn't do that to the first choice Leeds lineup. No side in Super League is staying within 18 points of that Saints performance tonight, just complete dominance throughout. But there are actually people on here calling Walmsley a fraud after that performance? He's one of the best props Super League has seen. Some mad stuff being posted on here.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:22 am  

We are nowhere near Saints this year, but will be a lot closer next......
Some very average players in the team tonight. We are badly missing our best forward (Oledski), only decent half back (Gale), and best outside back (Hurrell).
What did people expect tonight?

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:16 am  

Shabino wrote:

We are nowhere near Saints this year, but will be a lot closer next......
Some very average players in the team tonight. We are badly missing our best forward (Oledski), only decent half back (Gale), and best outside back (Hurrell).
What did people expect tonight?

I make it 12 players out last night. Always an uphill struggle against the champions

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:25 am  

Shabino wrote:

We are nowhere near Saints this year, but will be a lot closer next......
Some very average players in the team tonight. We are badly missing our best forward (Oledski), only decent half back (Gale), and best outside back (Hurrell).
What did people expect tonight?

...a better performance (not result) that’s reflective of the 17 out there. The poor start isn’t just isolated to the game last night but indicative of a number of recent games and it’s not improved, some wins against poorer opposition have masked that.

That Leeds could still make the playoffs given the horrendous injuries etc is a credit to them for large parts but also a sobering reflection on the overall standard of the competition at the moment with only really HKR improving their stock from last year.Wigan, FC, Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield all going backwards.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:52 am  

Seth wrote:

...a better performance (not result) that’s reflective of the 17 out there. The poor start isn’t just isolated to the game last night but indicative of a number of recent games and it’s not improved, some wins against poorer opposition have masked that.

That Leeds could still make the playoffs given the horrendous injuries etc is a credit to them for large parts but also a sobering reflection on the overall standard of the competition at the moment with only really HKR improving their stock from last year.Wigan, FC, Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield all going backwards.

Wonder why Hull KR might look to be the only team to have improved?

Which team has played the least games!

Now m not saying they haven’t improved but this season has been a nightmare for the players with the congested fixtures

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:57 am  

Shabino wrote:

We are nowhere near Saints this year, but will be a lot closer next......
Some very average players in the team tonight. We are badly missing our best forward (Oledski), only decent half back (Gale), and best outside back (Hurrell).
What did people expect tonight?

Leeming has been our best HB all year ,& Hurrell is either rocks or rarely diamonds Newman is our best outside back by a mile.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:57 am  

You make a good point Chris. And the circumstances in the comp have undoubtedly contributed to the standard on show.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:00 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I expected us to beat Leeds tonight given you've got a few more than us out. But lets not pretend Saints couldn't do that to the first choice Leeds lineup. No side in Super League is staying within 18 points of that Saints performance tonight, just complete dominance throughout. But there are actually people on here calling Walmsley a fraud after that performance? He's one of the best props Super League has seen. Some mad stuff being posted on here.

You struggled to beat us with 12 men in the CC & Catalans over turned an 18pt defecit in 10 minutes.

Walmsley was great but dont pretend he does that if we have Tetevano & Oledjski out there rather than a young & raw Holdroyd & a way past it Thompson.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:07 am  

If you look at the NRL, you do get some blow out scores even though all their sides are very good.

I didn’t enjoy us getting towelled last night but neither is it the end of the world.

Disappointed in Jack and Sam’s D last night. Saints targeted that side and they couldn’t handle it.

Again though errors from some senior players led directly to tries.

Reaffirmed my view we need another physical presence in the pack next season if we’re serious. No platform at all last night, ad expected we got rolled and our kicking game was never going to save us.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:15 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

You struggled to beat us with 12 men in the CC & Catalans over turned an 18pt defecit in 10 minutes.

Walmsley was great but dont pretend he does that if we have Tetevano & Oledjski out there rather than a young & raw Holdroyd & a way past it Thompson.

I thought Holroyd was our best last night, carrying the fight in a well beaten pack at 20. Myler had some spectacular skill at the back, but his positioning is off at FB and his kicking is dreadful.

Thompson had one of his better games for us actually.

Dwyer is terrible at passing but I have never seen a braver player, he gives his all and I respect the guy.

I would be very tempted to start Johnson at either 7 or 9 next week along with Leeming, and have Dwyer come off the bench. Given that Leeming is on a long contract it’ll be interesting to see what we do with Johnson.