Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:29 pm  

chapylad wrote:

I went for Saints by 30 and after the first half thought they would double that prediction.
Full credit to Leeds in the second half for a much better defensive display against probably the best team in the comp who wanted to prove a point at home and in front of the cameras.
Holroyd and Johnson for the short time he was on did well along with Myler who I feel is our player of the year.
Smith for me put in a shift which cannot be said for others such as Thompson, Sutcliffe and Walters.
I still don`t get it with Tom Briscoe 2 or 3 half decent games a year is not good enough.
2 tries from Saints debatable in the first half Knowles first one and Makinsons from a forward pass by Walmsley and deliberate use of the knees by Coote at the Dwyer try.
Other than that we were totally outclassed.

There was nothing wrong with either of those tries? The knowles one looked iffy on first watch, but Myler rips the ball, then Knowles regathers by grounding. The Walmsley ball to Makinson was about half a yard backwards.

Mata’utia going off injured seemed to really disrupt our rhythm for a while, I’m surprised you didn’t get a try out of it, especially with Welsby off with a head assessment as well. We were just starting to regain our composure when the second half finished.

I think I saw earlier in the thread Leeds were missing 8, Saints were missing 5 so it’s not like injuries were worlds apart.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:34 pm  

I doubt saints will be looking for a swap with one of our props from tonight any time soon

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:42 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

There was nothing wrong with either of those tries? The knowles one looked iffy on first watch, but Myler rips the ball, then Knowles regathers by grounding. The Walmsley ball to Makinson was about half a yard backwards.

Mata’utia going off injured seemed to really disrupt our rhythm for a while, I’m surprised you didn’t get a try out of it, especially with Welsby off with a head assessment as well. We were just starting to regain our composure when the second half finished.

I think I saw earlier in the thread Leeds were missing 8, Saints were missing 5 so it’s not like injuries were worlds apart.

I did say debatable mate and looked like Knowles knocked it on.
I`ll bow to your better eyesight for Makinsons try as I thought it was forward.
The difference for me regardless of how many either team had out was our go forward and lack of size up front.
Personally I don`t think we justify a top 6 .

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:49 pm  

Rommel wrote:

Saints have kids playing tonight?
Welsby
Dodd
Smith
Knowles
Lees
Wingfield

Can't use that excuse??

Kids?
Our starting prop, second row and Loose forward were all 20

Also saying Welsby is s kid is like us saying Newman is s kid

Both are international standard players

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:50 pm  

Swoggy Loiner wrote:

I’ll take it back to the cup game when I was ridiculed by some on here. Until Tetevano got sent off, and he bashed him a couple of times, Walmsley didn’t fancy it one bit. Was terrible on the GB your along with Thompson when up against top class international forwards.

Lmao!

He just mullered your pack by himself.

That just shows embarassingly poor your pack is.

None of which are involved at international level by the way haha

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:53 pm  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

Lmao!

He just mullered your pack by himself.

That just shows embarassingly poor your pack is.

None of which are involved at international level by the way haha

We were missing two international props

See my post above about the age of 3 of our starting pack

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:55 pm  

Holroyd played very well. Johnson tightened us up immediately. Broadbent has a weakness to his D which he needs to sort out. Building that real physical strength does take some time.

Walters is similar, just lacks that upper body strength and struggles at open age a bit.

But we know they’re not fully developed yet.

Smith wasn’t great tonight; couple of misses and although he is skilful, his constant hospital passes aren’t doing it for me. He’s giving the receiver no chance and they mostly get battered by the defenders.

I don’t think we can do anything much in the play offs without Mikolaj.

I still think we should beat HKR

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:36 pm  

Men against boys tonight unfortunately. Saints are the benchmark and to go there with 10 out, no halves, no size, no middles and kids, doing their best but not at that level yet makes it a virtual impossible task. Saints are better than us when we are at full strength and we are far from that at the moment.

Holroyd has been poor recently i think particularly at Magic but hes playing too many minutes for a 20 year old prop. He played massive minutes tonight but had a real go. Hes going to be good player for us for a long time. He stood up tonight. We are down on troops and hes having to play every week.

Corey got some minutes which is a positive theres more to come from him. Hes a good young player, just needs time. Hes an outstanding kid. Hes the best young 9 weve had in years but we all need patience. Dwyer's days are numbered i think.

Myler was excellent under the high ball and ran well enough probably our best.

Defensively we seemed to wait for them, missed too many poor 1 on 1s. Walmsley destroyed us in truth.

Big week ahead, making the playoffs with the season weve had would be a good achievement with the numbers weve had out all year. Leeds should always strive to make the playoffs every year.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:50 pm  

13 players out. Men v Boys. End of. Yes we still could have done a touch better but nothing to see here move on to next week.

Re: RD 24 | St Helens (A) : Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:01 pm  

I understand those who are a bit upset by the performance levels tonight, but when you look at the line-up and see that we had 6 aged 21 or under and nothing resembling a starting side it was probably to be expected. Yes, we had 8 (9? 10?) first choice players missing, but we're at the 'square pegs in round holes' stage now (not that the BBC have mentioned that in their match report, it might have got in the way of drooling over Saints...

It's not simply how many players are missing, it's how many positions are in a completely make do and get by situation. By my reckoning we only had 4 1st choice players playing in their proper positions and in several cases we were using our 3rd/4th/5th choice players. That was never going to be pretty. I've never known a crisis quite like this one.

Leeds:
Broadbent (3rd choice Walker/Myler);
L. Briscoe (2nd choice T Briscoe),
Newman (1st),
T. Briscoe (3rd/4th Hurrell, L Sutcliffe, Broadbent),
Handley (1st);
Leeming (5th, Gale, Lui, McLelland, Myler),
Myler (4th, Gale, Lui, McLelland);
Holroyd,(4th? Oledzki, Tetevano, Vuniyayawa)
Dwyer (2nd, Leeming),
Prior (1st),
Walters (5th? Mellor, Donaldson, Gannon, L. Sutcliffe),
Martin (1st),
O'Connor (4th? Tetevano, L. Sutcliffe, Smith?)

Interchanges: Smith, A. Sutcliffe, Thompson, Johnson