Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:57 pm  

Walter's needs more fire in his belly. Needs to up his intensity and aggression. With players like Newman and Gannon you can see how much they want it with how high their motivation is and their will to succeed.

So far a lot of what I have seen from Walters is a bit soft and half hearted and to me he does not appear to show any real desire to succeed. Possibly, because he has the size he has never needed to over exert himself whereas smaller players like O'Connor are not so naturally gifted so have to put their bodies on the line to succeed.

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:06 pm  

O'Connor is still under the radar a bit, but he is one of those all-round talented sportsmen actually. I just don't know whether he'll have the physical size to play much first grade at Leeds going forward. We have a big pack developing.

Maybe he takes Donaldson's role in due course.

Said it before but I think he could develop at hooker if Johnson packs it in again.

The way Cam Smith is going, I'd like to see him as the Leeds 13 going forward. Oledski, Johnson, Holroyd, Walters, Gannon, Smith would be my dream pack in another couple of years, if the lads develop. With a bit more size/strength on them that's a serious set.

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:42 pm  

rugbyleague88 wrote:

Walter's needs more fire in his belly. Needs to up his intensity and aggression. With players like Newman and Gannon you can see how much they want it with how high their motivation is and their will to succeed.

So far a lot of what I have seen from Walters is a bit soft and half hearted and to me he does not appear to show any real desire to succeed. Possibly, because he has the size he has never needed to over exert himself whereas smaller players like O'Connor are not so naturally gifted so have to put their bodies on the line to succeed.

I seem to recall JP was similar when he started before playing in Australia.
There`s hope for Walters yet but needs like you say to have that desire and put some fire in his belly.
I also said O`Connor would make a decent hooker.
Then again I thought the same about Donaldson.

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:23 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

I agree about Walters for mine he will only improve by playing more games on the bounce, not in for a game then miss the next 5.In the last game he was at centre. Bentley Mellor Gannon and Walters could be our main second rowers for years

if he played well enough he wouldn't miss 5 gannon and holroyd have taken their chances

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:56 pm  

doc-rhino wrote:

if he played well enough he wouldn't miss 5 gannon and holroyd have taken their chances

Maybe so but we generally only have one backrower on the bench and earlier in the season that was always Donaldson. Gannon has certainly taken his chance. . Our backrow is a position that is hard to get in we have 6 vying for three places. I did think Walters should have been selected before L Briscoe who was for a few games used in the backrow.

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:17 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

Maybe so but we generally only have one backrower on the bench and earlier in the season that was always Donaldson. Gannon has certainly taken his chance. . Our backrow is a position that is hard to get in we have 6 vying for three places. I did think Walters should have been selected before L Briscoe who was for a few games used in the backrow.

lb was poss cover for hooker too , could have been on bench instead of donaldson but donaldson plays above his weight whereas walters seems to pay below his size , no such issues with gannon big, strong and clean ,
bentley and gannon could both be ahead of mellor and martin

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:44 pm  

We are rapidly approaching the point of having so many really talented youngsters that if you’re not outstanding then you need to move over to give them a chance. Perhaps Richard Agar is this groups Daryl Powell?

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:33 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

We are rapidly approaching the point of having so many really talented youngsters that if you’re not outstanding then you need to move over to give them a chance. Perhaps Richard Agar is this groups Daryl Powell?

was it powell or hetherington that sacked the 4

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:45 pm  

GH sacked the 4 players that were blocking the path of the kids. I was thinking more from a coaching perspective, I’m not sure you’d get away with that these days. Sheridan, Hay, Pratt (?) I don’t remember the other?

Re: OUT 2022 | Konrad Hurrell - St Helens : Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:35 pm  

batleyrhino wrote: GH sacked the 4 players that were blocking the path of the kids. I was thinking more from a coaching perspective, I’m not sure you’d get away with that these days. Sheridan, Hay, Pratt (?) I don’t remember the other? according to https://www.therhinos.co.uk/timeline/2000s/2003/ fleary the 4th with feather coming in though i would have said someone elsw also refers to mcdonalds tries and beating cas with a crude one pointer and this ' However, a statement of intent came with the promotion of the young stars from the clubs academy to senior position. At the top was new skipper Kevin Sinfield with Danny McGuire, Rob Burrow, Richard Mathers, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Ryan Bailey, Danny Ward, Matt Diskin and Chev Walker all becoming mainstays of the first team.'

batleyrhino wrote: GH sacked the 4 players that were blocking the path of the kids. I was thinking more from a coaching perspective, I’m not sure you’d get away with that these days. Sheridan, Hay, Pratt (?) I don’t remember the other? according to https://www.therhinos.co.uk/timeline/2000s/2003/ fleary the 4th with feather coming in though i would have said someone elsw also refers to mcdonalds tries and beating cas with a crude one pointer and this ' However, a statement of intent came with the promotion of the young stars from the clubs academy to senior position. At the top was new skipper Kevin Sinfield with Danny McGuire, Rob Burrow, Richard Mathers, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Ryan Bailey, Danny Ward, Matt Diskin and Chev Walker all becoming mainstays of the first team.'