Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:15 pm  

Neruda wrote:

as if you're blaming him for that

Are you suggesting it wasn't his fault?

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:24 pm  

Neruda wrote:

as if you're blaming him for that

There is a thread blaming the goal kicking for the loss. Why would Sutcliffe bombing a certain try with poor ball retention not also be a blame? Why would Moon running back inside with people outside bombing another try not be blameable? why would Burrow coming to a stop when a try looked on to the corner with support there not be blameable?

You get four points for a try, you get two for a conversion.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:52 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

There is a thread blaming the goal kicking for the loss. Why would Sutcliffe bombing a certain try with poor ball retention not also be a blame? Why would Moon running back inside with people outside bombing another try not be blameable? why would Burrow coming to a stop when a try looked on to the corner with support there not be blameable?

You get four points for a try, you get two for a conversion.

On another day Sutcliffe would have scored; and Moon would have made a better decision.....as for Burrow....go figure.

Love Burrow and his efforts/guile/bodacity, as a rule, can never be questioned even if he does tend to run up his own ass at times.....but.....sorry......can't get over this 'bombing' of a given try. He just had to keep motoring.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:11 pm  

Burrow was going to be tackled. The warrington player had the angle and the speed. Burrow isn't a 16 stone forward/back that can fend the defender off those last few metres.

If he continued his route he was about to be tackled, the support player out on the right wasn't really on because there was another warrington defender blocking that line. So burrow could either continue and be tackled, or cut back and have a chance of wrong footing the defender. He took the option that gave him the only chance in that situation of scoring.

Burrow has 15 years game time in the memory bank. His brain was able to quickly judge based on his speed and the angle of the defender he was about to be tackled. It was instinct. To avoid being tackled his angle would have had divert so that he was just running straight toward the touchline rather than the try line. I think people are so used to seeing those little legs drive away from defenders to the try line they just expected to see him whizz in at the corner.

But it wasn't on.

He bombed nothing.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:42 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

There is a thread blaming the goal kicking for the loss. Why would Sutcliffe bombing a certain try with poor ball retention not also be a blame? Why would Moon running back inside with people outside bombing another try not be blameable? why would Burrow coming to a stop when a try looked on to the corner with support there not be blameable?

You get four points for a try, you get two for a conversion.

But two conversions are the same as a try

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:43 pm  

Currie for such a big lad is very very quick and smart beyond his years.

The only way Burrow may have scored looking back is heading for the corner, even then he may have been chased down.

He had no support, that was the main problem, it DM had still been on the field he would have been on his coattails.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:45 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Burrow was going to be tackled. The warrington player had the angle and the speed. Burrow isn't a 16 stone forward/back that can fend the defender off those last few metres.

If he continued his route he was about to be tackled, the support player out on the right wasn't really on because there was another warrington defender blocking that line. So burrow could either continue and be tackled, or cut back and have a chance of wrong footing the defender. He took the option that gave him the only chance in that situation of scoring.

Burrow has 15 years game time in the memory bank. His brain was able to quickly judge based on his speed and the angle of the defender he was about to be tackled. It was instinct. To avoid being tackled his angle would have had divert so that he was just running straight toward the touchline rather than the try line. I think people are so used to seeing those little legs drive away from defenders to the try line they just expected to see him whizz in at the corner.

But it wasn't on.

He bombed nothing.

Spot on summary. Those in doubt who maybe waiting for their Specsaver appointment should get close to the screen and look at the highlights on the Rhinos website for proof.

IMO Moon did not bomb a try either. Nothing on outside and he beat several men as he cut inside to create a better chance.

Hardaker missed four points with two very kickable chances.

Sutcliffe did bomb 4 points (would have been 6 if Lilley had been kicking) but I put that down to rustiness not a lack of skill as he was just off the pace in his support run. Great work from Cuthbertson by the way.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:02 pm  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Burrow was going to be tackled. The warrington player had the angle and the speed. Burrow isn't a 16 stone forward/back that can fend the defender off those last few metres.

If he continued his route he was about to be tackled, the support player out on the right wasn't really on because there was another warrington defender blocking that line. So burrow could either continue and be tackled, or cut back and have a chance of wrong footing the defender. He took the option that gave him the only chance in that situation of scoring.

Burrow has 15 years game time in the memory bank. His brain was able to quickly judge based on his speed and the angle of the defender he was about to be tackled. It was instinct. To avoid being tackled his angle would have had divert so that he was just running straight toward the touchline rather than the try line. I think people are so used to seeing those little legs drive away from defenders to the try line they just expected to see him whizz in at the corner.

But it wasn't on.

He bombed nothing.

Rubbish! No matter how you try to make long elaborate excuses, all Burrow had to do was keep motoring for the corner...he would have made it in IMO, but even if he hadn't he could not be criticised for that.

I'm not sure people would be quite so generous if it had been Achurch in those same shoes !!!! Burrow 'chickened out' ...he can be forgiven to more degree than the likes of a player who has given far less to the team over the years....but he did 'chciken out'

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:09 pm  

Cuthbertson's offload and Sutcliffe's support run didn't connect perfectly which resulted in the ball being spilled. The support runner will often pull that in but last night was one occasion when he didn't and that happens also.

I agree with those who didn't think Burrow would have held off Currie (Currie and Evans IMO where very good defensively in the centres for Warrington - Watkins easily contained) Warrington's desire on defence was top rate. The one where Penny spilled the kick return (Sutcliffe forcing the error) yet they prevented Briscoe getting near the line from Ferres' quality one handed offload was particularly noteworthy.

Re: RD1 | Warrington Wolves : Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:19 pm  

nantwichexile wrote:

Rubbish! No matter how you try to make long elaborate excuses, all Burrow had to do was keep motoring for the corner...he would have made it in IMO, but even if he hadn't he could not be criticised for that.

I'm not sure people would be quite so generous if it had been Achurch in those same shoes !!!! Burrow 'chickened out' ...he can be forgiven to more degree than the likes of a player who has given far less to the team over the years....but he did 'chciken out'

Who are you, Stevo? Burrow was never, ever getting over, Currie was eating up the ground on him - Burrow has great acceleration but he's bn nowhere near as quick as Currie at full pace. In retrospect taking the tackle and getting a quick play the ball (or penalty) might have been the better option but I can understand why he checked to look for support.