: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:56 pm  

G1 wrote:

Well, when anybody says Pryce is better or more complete then so he should be given three years more development. That there is so little to choose between them now could be used as an argument that McGuire is a much better player.

i posted this on the saints board a while back, but heres my 2p's worth again

pryce has strengths mcguire has strengths!

pryce is noway better than mcguire and vice versa

pryce, well anderson really is/was awesome at getting pryce running at tierd, disjointed, unorgainsed defences with the quick play the ball. one on one pryce is very good at braking tackles and punching holes. his offload is constant. but against well drilled ,organised defences with slow play the ball he has very little, thats what happend in the world cup and GF 07,08.

pryce for me is awesome at what he does braking tackles and offloading, noway in hanley's class but top draw at sl level and defo has a role for england/gb im just not sure what it is, personally i think at fullback but thats just me


mcguire doesnt have the strength of pryce but is developing and improving other parts of his game, like his long/short kicking and passing where he is already better than pryce imo. mcguire is becoming a true six as he showed in the world cup semi. he hasnt been just a support player for a long time but other fans will always use it against him in pub/forum snipes. the one thing mcguire has over pryce in spades is his posative attitude, he is one of the nicest blokes you could meet and is always looking to better himself on and off the pitch

mcguire has out shined pryce enough when it has mattered the most in various big games at club and international level so for anyone to say pryce is better imo is wrong

: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:02 pm  

harigeorgeson wrote:

And that is exactly why he should move to the Bulls Him and Superdeacs would run the show in Superleague.

You whinos have had your day, while we just stood back & let you - NOW the Bulls are back for 2009 & we would appreciate a player like Danny Mags - SO let us have him & shut up the moaners !!

You've more chance of platting fog!!

: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:07 pm  

tvoc wrote:

You're both right and it remains a real bug bear for my records.

Officially Mathers was named at full-back with McGuire on the right wing in place of Calderwood after his hapless show at Odsal the week before.

In reality though, Mathers started on the wing with McGuire at full-back. No question about it and confirmed the following night in the YEP match report.

As my records are purely unofficial I've always gone with how they lined up at kick-off, but that's just me.

Either way it's the only time McGuire has started a game in a position other than in the halves.

TVOC i would love to know where you get all your stats from

Welcome back to SS.com, you've been missed pal

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:14 am  

The Biffs Back wrote:

TVOC i would love to know where you get all your stats from

Nowadays from a labyrinth of spreadsheets. Keeping basic records from Leeds games is just something I've done for the past 30 years. Pre SL they're far from complete and always will be because it's just a bit of a hobby and I know my limits.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:22 am  

tvoc wrote:

Nowadays from a labyrinth of spreadsheets. Keeping basic records from Leeds games is just something I've done for the past 30 years. Pre SL they're far from complete and always will be because it's just a bit of a hobby and I know my limits.

When you decide you've had enough of your hobby, can I have your labyrinth of spreadsheets?

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:43 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

i posted this on the saints board a while back, but heres my 2p's worth again..............................

Well said. I agree wit hall of it.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:28 am  

Quagmire wrote:

When you decide you've had enough of your hobby, can I have your labyrinth of spreadsheets?

CMR got there first. You'll have to fight him for them.

I'm expecting big things from the new official site's promise of 'in depth' stats. A club of Leeds' standing deserves a significant on-line stat presence and it's one that it has always sadly lacked.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:42 am  

One interesting stat from last year is that McGuire's % missed tackle rate was actually only negligibly worse than Gareth Ellis's. Not sure how well this reflects on Ellis mind - that said, I seem to recall the figure being more than twice as good than for Sean Long

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:48 am  

Ellis was rubbish, that's why Leeds got rid.

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:24 am  

tvoc wrote:

You're both right and it remains a real bug bear for my records.

Officially Mathers was named at full-back with McGuire on the right wing in place of Calderwood after his hapless show at Odsal the week before.

In reality though, Mathers started on the wing with McGuire at full-back. No question about it and confirmed the following night in the YEP match report.

As my records are purely unofficial I've always gone with how they lined up at kick-off, but that's just me.

Either way it's the only time McGuire has started a game in a position other than in the halves.

I remember the game, and you've already agree with my thoughts on how they lined up.

Given that, how do you record the line-up's from 2007 when Diskin was out, such as Millenium Magic? I've got the teamsheet for that game and it states that Kirke was playing at hooker, but I always thought Sinfield covered that role during the games.