Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:22 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The point about Barba is the lack of consistency - the rules need to provide an even playing field.

It doesn't matter where or when you are tested the governing bodies should agree an appropriate punishment that applies to everyone

how is there a lack of consistency? have other athletes failing out of competition tests received other bans from WADA?
failing in and out of competition tests are different offences, hence different punishments.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:42 pm  

Neruda wrote:

how is there a lack of consistency? have other athletes failing out of competition tests received other bans from WADA?
failing in and out of competition tests are different offences, hence different punishments.

Shawn Barber Canadian pole vaulter - no ban despite testing positive in competition
Dan Evans - tennis player - one year despite testing positive during competition

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:58 pm  

BARBER - 'World pole vault champion Shawn Barber avoided a two-year suspension for an anti-doping violation after inadvertently ingesting cocaine when kissing a woman he met on the internet.

Barber was spared a ban after successfully arguing that the drug had been passed on through “kissing”.

EVANS - 'Dan Evans has been banned from tennis for one year after claiming leftover cocaine in a washbag or the pocket of his trousers contaminated legitimate medicine.

The 27-year-old tested positive for cocaine during the Barcelona Open in April this year but the ITF said in a statement it accepted “inadvertent contamination” was to blame for the positive test and that Evans bore “no significant fault or negligence”.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:21 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: Shawn Barber Canadian pole vaulter - no ban despite testing positive in competition Dan Evans - tennis player - one year despite testing positive during competition Dan Evans failed an out of competition test according to this article and looks like it was the tennis association that decided the ban - just like the NRL decided Barba's. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... st-cocaine See Printer's post for Shawn Barber's ban. Ben Barba was banned before he came here and the RFL respected the ban imposed by NRL - dont they normally carry the bans over? Out of competion tests are for the governing bodies to deal with as far as i can tell theyve been pretty consistent.

Sal Paradise wrote: Shawn Barber Canadian pole vaulter - no ban despite testing positive in competition Dan Evans - tennis player - one year despite testing positive during competition Dan Evans failed an out of competition test according to this article and looks like it was the tennis association that decided the ban - just like the NRL decided Barba's. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... st-cocaine See Printer's post for Shawn Barber's ban. Ben Barba was banned before he came here and the RFL respected the ban imposed by NRL - dont they normally carry the bans over? Out of competion tests are for the governing bodies to deal with as far as i can tell theyve been pretty consistent.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:25 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

BARBER - 'World pole vault champion Shawn Barber avoided a two-year suspension for an anti-doping violation after inadvertently ingesting cocaine when kissing a woman he met on the internet.

Barber was spared a ban after successfully arguing that the drug had been passed on through “kissing”.

EVANS - 'Dan Evans has been banned from tennis for one year after claiming leftover cocaine in a washbag or the pocket of his trousers contaminated legitimate medicine.

The 27-year-old tested positive for cocaine during the Barcelona Open in April this year but the ITF said in a statement it accepted “inadvertent contamination” was to blame for the positive test and that Evans bore “no significant fault or negligence”.

Your point is what exactly?

both of these athletes tested positive in competition for cocaine and got either a reduced sentence or no ban. Perhaps it is the quality of your lawyer that determines the length of your ban?

Why did Evans have "left over cocaine" if he wasn't a user? or was it OK to use outside of competition which in his case was most of the time as he seldom made it past the first round.

It illustrates the inconsistencies in the treatment of the same offence i.e. testing positive for cocaine in competition.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:42 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Your point is what exactly?

both of these athletes tested positive in competition for cocaine and got either a reduced sentence or no ban. Perhaps it is the quality of your lawyer that determines the length of your ban?

Why did Evans have "left over cocaine" if he wasn't a user? or was it OK to use outside of competition which in his case was most of the time as he seldom made it past the first round.

It illustrates the inconsistencies in the treatment of the same offence i.e. testing positive for cocaine in competition.

It illustrates every case is judged individually despite you claiming inconsistencies. It's like saying every high tackle or crusher tackle or contact with the ref should have the exact same ban when really they're differences in each case which often means different lengths of bans.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:32 pm  

Having said that, a blanket two-year ban, whether tested in competition or not, would simplify things for everyone. Given how dumb some players are, the idea that if they're caught at ANY time they'll be out for two years might make them think twice.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:53 am  

[quote="Neruda"]Dan Evans failed an out of competition test according to this article and looks like it was the tennis association that decided the ban - just like the NRL decided Barba's. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... st-cocaine See Printer's post for Shawn Barber's ban. Ben Barba was banned before he came here and the RFL respected the ban imposed by NRL - dont they normally carry the bans over? Out of competion tests are for the governing bodies to deal with as far as i can tell theyve been pretty consistent.[/quote Evans was tested at the Barcelona open - so in competition. It seems if you can come up with a good excuse you get a reduced ban - hardly consistent. as for Barber that really is stretching the imagination. As Brisbane says if you get caught the punishment needs to be the same regardless of the excuse you come up with.

[quote="Neruda"]Dan Evans failed an out of competition test according to this article and looks like it was the tennis association that decided the ban - just like the NRL decided Barba's. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... st-cocaine See Printer's post for Shawn Barber's ban. Ben Barba was banned before he came here and the RFL respected the ban imposed by NRL - dont they normally carry the bans over? Out of competion tests are for the governing bodies to deal with as far as i can tell theyve been pretty consistent.[/quote Evans was tested at the Barcelona open - so in competition. It seems if you can come up with a good excuse you get a reduced ban - hardly consistent. as for Barber that really is stretching the imagination. As Brisbane says if you get caught the punishment needs to be the same regardless of the excuse you come up with.

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:11 pm  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/42171264 Maybe Hardaker will only get 3 months too? Double standards?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/42171264 Maybe Hardaker will only get 3 months too? Double standards?

Re: OUT 2017 | Zak Hardaker - Castleford Tigers : Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:00 pm  

Old Feller wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/42171264
Maybe Hardaker will only get 3 months too?
Double standards?

Alledged cocaine use, a bit vague, Seems to me that's he has been caught internally so internal,discipline matter, not the same as being caught by WADA after an official drug test. That's a standard 2 years for banned performances enhancer.