Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:27 pm  

I don't think it was malicious or had intent but I do think there was some contact with the head.
This year that would merit a ban, however silly.
That said the occasional one like Kasianos that got nothing so it's pretty much a 50/50.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:28 pm  

I see woolf is defending Knowles saying it shouldn’t be a ban - absolute nonsense

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:31 pm  

christopher wrote:

I don’t ‘want’ welsby banned, i want consistency from the MRP. Fusitua got a ban for s very similar tackle not do long back.

On Knowles, that’s just cut and dried, youd look daft defending that.

We have been wanting consistency all year. But until anyone can present any evidence there was actually head contact (I have gone frame by frame on what’s on line and nothing looks like head contact to me) then it is consistent that there’s no ban. As I say, you can’t ban Welsby because the player got up with a bloody nose, that’s not evidence on its own (circumstantial as the courts would say)

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:33 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Contact with the floor? Carried from a previous tackle that burst on his head whipping back? Head collision? Probably 10 more if anyone could be bothered to continue.

The day we use outcomes as a reason to ban we’re done. No angle showed any head contact from Welsby despite the result of the bust nose.

Think u need to watch it again.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:33 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

We have been wanting consistency all year. But until anyone can present any evidence there was actually head contact (I have gone frame by frame on what’s on line and nothing looks like head contact to me) then it is consistent that there’s no ban. As I say, you can’t ban Welsby because the player got up with a bloody nose, that’s not evidence on its own (circumstantial as the courts would say)

Yet I see his shoulder hit his head, if the MRP also see it it should be a ban.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:34 pm  

How's it not evidence? How did he get it then, by picking his nose?! He didn't have it before the tackle. As already said fusitua got done for a similar one

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:38 pm  

Lets just get on with it and play the game. Knowles should be banned and if it is appealed it should be deemed as frivolous and extended. If that does not happen demonstrates a definate bias to players in England squad (not saints).
Everything else benefit of the doubt and move on.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:38 pm  

christopher wrote:

I don’t ‘want’ welsby banned, i want consistency from the MRP. Fusitua got a ban for s very similar tackle not do long back.

On Knowles, that’s just cut and dried, youd look daft defending that.

What about the Matty Lees collision on Sio. What was the penalty for? Looked like knees to the head but not sure what he penalised. If it was for knees to the head then Dangerous contact and a ban / should also have been a yellow.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:42 pm  

christopher wrote:

I don’t ‘want’ welsby banned, i want consistency from the MRP. Fusitua got a ban for s very similar tackle not do long back.

On Knowles, that’s just cut and dried, youd look daft defending that.

Difference with Fusitua's was that the impact came after the ball had gone. He actually ducked getting banned for a couple of very similar tackles earlier in the season. The part of me that is Leeds at all costs says - yes ban Welsby! That's the terrible thing about the MRP this season. We fans aren't talking about the great game in the offing, we are talking about which players should be prevented from playing in it. It's Cullen and co that need the red card.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:19 pm  

christopher wrote:

I see woolf is defending Knowles saying it shouldn’t be a ban - absolute nonsense

He would say that wouldn’t he, obviously the Saints coach doesn’t want Saints players to be banned