Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:23 pm  

Furner and Sinfield need to work together to define the playing style and standards that the club will aspire to, regardless of which team within the club. They need to work out a series of actions and KPI's to measure the performance against the defined standards and have an action plan to get us to the right level. The action plan should include anything from conditioning, to coaching methods, to player recruitment and retention. Different people will be responsible for individual parts, but Sinfield should be responsible for the whole.

It's called management.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:49 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Furner and Sinfield need to work together to define the playing style and standards that the club will aspire to, regardless of which team within the club. They need to work out a series of actions and KPI's to measure the performance against the defined standards and have an action plan to get us to the right level. The action plan should include anything from conditioning, to coaching methods, to player recruitment and retention. Different people will be responsible for individual parts, but Sinfield should be responsible for the whole.

It's called management.

Agreed. Look at Cas as a great example. Powell has brought in a great philosophy of playing rugby in the right way since he took hold of the club which was a bottom half SL team of journey men and miss fits when he took the reigns. He identified a style he wanted to play, got the players in he needed to play it and stuck by it and look at them these days. I certainly have the patience with Furner and Sinfield if there is a clear indication we are building towards something on the field of play and get away from this 'off the cuff' play what you see nonsense we had under mcdermott.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:02 pm  

'Off the cuff' is polite for pretty clueless.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:05 pm  

tigertot wrote:

'Off the cuff' is polite for pretty clueless.

I was going to add that but thought i would wait for someone else to project it

To be fair that style works, as it did for us in massive games, when you have the playing staff to do it. When you don't, well the evidence has been there for all to see.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:36 pm  

I'd actually argue "off the cuff" isn't "off the cuff". To play that style of rugby you need to first be able to at least hold your own in the forwards, and generate quick ptb's. This comes by design, both in conditioning and application of technique. What people often call "off the cuff" is actually the selective application of particular tactics and then a flood of support for the ball carrier.

What Cas do so well is play the kind of attacking structure where Gale has three (or more) truly viable options (not people half arsed jogging up to the line) and then he selects the one that the defence will find hardest to deal with given their position and numbers for that particular tackle. To do this you need a very fit, disciplined (in terms of position and line of run) and committed pack/backs and a smart half who can disguise his play until the last moment.

We are a million years away from this with any of our halfback options, or those coming in too I think.

We need to go for simple percentage structure which won't be exciting but will give us a platform to build from as we recruit better quality players so we can play more "flashy" stuff

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:43 pm  

Ok Mark maybe JJB and Delaney were more than average but not in my opinion quality.
Didn`t I hear somewhere that Sinfield had been talking to Furner for over 2 months now about player recruitment and what was needed for the team well before the announcement was made?
Let`s hope that was a frank honest chat and we look to spend as much of the cap as we have available.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:55 pm  

chapylad wrote:

Ok Mark maybe JJB and Delaney were more than average but not in my opinion quality.
Didn`t I hear somewhere that Sinfield had been talking to Furner for over 2 months now about player recruitment and what was needed for the team well before the announcement was made?
Let`s hope that was a frank honest chat and we look to spend as much of the cap as we have available.

I agree with the last sentence we need quality additions.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:44 am  

According to Frosties thread, there are 7 players OoC at the end of this year who's future isn't yet decided or hasn't been announced:

Carl Ablett
Brett Delaney
JJB
Jimmy Keinhorst
Anthony Mullally
Jordan Thompson
Josh Walters

If we can get replacements for them all they could leave for me. In Furner we trust...

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:12 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

According to Frosties thread, there are 7 players OoC at the end of this year who's future isn't yet decided or hasn't been announced:

Carl Ablett
Brett Delaney
JJB
Jimmy Keinhorst
Anthony Mullally
Jordan Thompson
Josh Walters

If we can get replacements for them all they could leave for me. In Furner we trust...

A few HullKR bound me thinks , but I can't see an overhaul of the squad all at once . I think Sinny and Furner will have already identified the positions that take priority

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:15 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

According to Frosties thread, there are 7 players OoC at the end of this year who's future isn't yet decided or hasn't been announced:

Carl Ablett
Brett Delaney
JJB
Jimmy Keinhorst
Anthony Mullally
Jordan Thompson
Josh Walters

If we can get replacements for them all they could leave for me. In Furner we trust...

Agreed.
Ablett,jjb and Delaney have already had a year or two more than they should. Loyalty wise I think they have been given a fair deal.

BMD always favoured workhorses in every position over any other quality. We are crying out for some power in the props, strike ability in the BR ,leadership and organising in the halfs.
Because that has been neglected for so many years we now have to do that in greater numbers and accept it will take far longer to be a top 4 team again.