Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:08 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Sutcliffe's natural game would come on a ton if he had proper support runners running decent lines - structure, in other words. That applies whether you put him in the halves, LF, 2nd row, wherever. Many don't rate him because he doesn't break the line and doesn't set up much. He hasn't the build or pace to do the former yet without the runners to pass to, his frequent choice of dying with the ball is actually the correct call. In desperate times, he forces things resulting in the brain farts & brilliance performances of the back end of last season.
He could be a real good player for us but if Leeds aren't going to play to his strengths we may as well move him on for his sake as much as ours. Personally, I think he might have been better than Williams had he played in recent wigan sides.

Just on the doesn’t break the line or set up stuff, as I’ve previously written, against Salford, Widnes and Halifaxe he did exactly that and if he hadn’t we could (would) have lost the games (bar the Halifax one).

I think he has been taking some unjustified criticism (and some justified), he is a good player who has been shunted around positions in a team playing poorly and even so managed to get an England cap.

Also hos goal kicking was very good since Sinfield returned, lets see how he goes under the new regime, but I expect on here he will be scspegoated no matter what.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:36 pm  

christopher wrote:

Just on the doesn’t break the line or set up stuff, as I’ve previously written, against Salford, Widnes and Halifaxe he did exactly that and if he hadn’t we could (would) have lost the games (bar the Halifax one).

I think he has been taking some unjustified criticism (and some justified), he is a good player who has been shunted around positions in a team playing poorly and even so managed to get an England cap.

Also hos goal kicking was very good since Sinfield returned, lets see how he goes under the new regime, but I expect on here he will be scspegoated no matter what.

don't think its necessarily that he is a scapegoat, think most of us wish and are willing him to be the player we thought he was going to be could be, but it has not happened and doses not look like its happening, and he has not produced the goods in any position, one more year to step up or ship him out.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:54 pm  

Sutcliffe loose forward every day of the week.
Cam Smith second row.You can't put Stevie Ward in the equation,he is never fit

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:22 pm  

Lanzarote Rhino wrote:

You can't put Stevie Ward in the equation,he is never fit

I understand the frustration with Ward, but he still managed 17 appearances last season.

He's a good player who gives his all for the team when on the field. The fans need to get behind him, instead of jumping on his back. It's not his fault he's suffered with injuries. Hopefully the club can bring in a better fitness regime under Furner and co.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:45 pm  

Lanzarote Rhino wrote:

Sutcliffe loose forward every day of the week.
Cam Smith second row.You can't put Stevie Ward in the equation,he is never fit

Of course you put him in the equation. The question asked here was about Sutcliffe. Ward might well only play 5 games in a season, but you can bet your bottom dollar those 5 games would be more good games than Sutcliffe manages in every 100. That is the comparison you are looking at.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:59 pm  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

I understand the frustration with Ward, but he still managed 17 appearances last season.

He's a good player who gives his all for the team when on the field. The fans need to get behind him, instead of jumping on his back. It's not his fault he's suffered with injuries. Hopefully the club can bring in a better fitness regime under Furner and co.

he may have started 17 but he only finished about 3, when he does play he ends up on the sidelines with ice on something not fit to return. nor getting on at him, he on paper is one of our best players, but we cannot keep carrying him like this. some players are just incredibly injury prone and ultimately it costs some players a big part off if not there entire career, see Paul Cullen David Creaser, Mike Gregory, Paul Sculthorpe, Nigel Wright. Nigel Wrights career like Ward hardly got going despite huge potential.
really hope he can get fit and have a good long run.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:17 pm  

I like Ward,very good player,WHEN fit.And i've seen him have some very ordinary games aswell.
On another note I see "tubby" Lolo is here

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:06 pm  

I thought he was looking good towards the end of 2015 before his awful injury. On his return I thought give hime time to recover and get fully fit before judging him, it was a truely devastating injury and similar has ended carrers before. How much time is he to be given? I really think there is a good player in there, I would love Furner and co to be able to bring it out of him. I really hope for the best of and for him but if he doesnt start to live up to some of the earlier promise he will have to be given a reality check and moved out of Headingly. Once you leave it is a long road back!

Re: 2019 | Squad : Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:43 pm  

Lanzarote Rhino wrote:

I like Ward,very good player,WHEN fit.And i've seen him have some very ordinary games aswell.
On another note I see "tubby" Lolo is here

I hope you are an athlete extreme if that’s what you call tubby) because he looked good in the interview and certainly thinner than in the Ton/Aus game. I expect him to tone up further for Feb......

Re: 2019 | Squad : Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:36 am  

I hope so too.If you look at the video with the photographer his a**e is bigger than Red Rums