Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:02 pm  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

ATEOTD, neither looks amazing right now. Walker arguably has more potential, being younger (let's not revisit the DOB debate!), but he still needs to develop physically, and show that he's more than an end of 2017 wonder. I suspect if both had been able to have a longer run in a winning side they'd be a lot better for it.

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This for me is the most pertinent point, we are jusfdging two young players playing in a team with zero structure and zero confidence, lets see how they go next year.

For me Walker is the better player and prospect though

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:23 pm  

I hope Furner comes in early, has a strong look at the structures of the club and decides accordingly what to retain and what to bin.

There can be no half measures taken with the team or back room staff, we’ve been in this hole twice in 3 years and it’s just unacceptable to keep papering over cracks and basking in faded glories.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:47 pm  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

I hope Furner comes in early, has a strong look at the structures of the club and decides accordingly what to retain and what to bin.

There can be no half measures taken with the team or back room staff, we’ve been in this hole twice in 3 years and it’s just unacceptable to keep papering over cracks and basking in faded glories.

Agree 100%

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:52 pm  

chapylad wrote:

It`s a difficult one.
As I feel Golding is the better defender and Walker possibly the better in attack although both have made errors.
I`m sure Walker is an excellent prospect and I also think the same about Golding with the right coaching.
On another note I would not like to see JJB go round another year the same applies to Delaney.
Average players in our squad over the years have been made to look good by the quality of others around them.
Every team has that.
But when the quality goes you either replace them with the same quality or you buy inferior players and end up like we have this year as the average players in our squad are shown up for what they are.

I would'nt describe Jjb or Delaney as "Average" both have been major contributors to our success Jjb more so.
Both are now too old & banged up to be retained as 1st 17 players imo & i hope both retire but neither were average players imo.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:52 pm  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

I hope Furner comes in early, has a strong look at the structures of the club and decides accordingly what to retain and what to bin.

There can be no half measures taken with the team or back room staff, we’ve been in this hole twice in 3 years and it’s just unacceptable to keep papering over cracks and basking in faded glories.

How much of that is Sinfield's role given that GH said;
"He will handle all first team player promotion, retention and recruitment moving forward and oversee our coaching staff management and appraisal. Kevin will also have control of the vital link between our academy and the first team working with head of academy coaching Rob Burrow."

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:49 pm  

tigertot wrote:

How much of that is Sinfield's role given that GH said;
"He will handle all first team player promotion, retention and recruitment moving forward and oversee our coaching staff management and appraisal. Kevin will also have control of the vital link between our academy and the first team working with head of academy coaching Rob Burrow."

I would hope that when Furner arrives he weighs and measures what is required with recruitment and what he thinks he can turn round in coaching.

Once this is done, I would expect him to then use the link with Sir Kev to hammer out what he wants/needs, how badly and when. It would then be Sir Kevs job to go out and achieve these or maybe even turn round and say we cant/wont do that.

I would expect that until Furner arrives this is purely conjecture as until he sees the scale of the job, weighs it up and hammers out a plan WITH Sinfield / GH et al that were all in the dark.

What I would say when MM came in at Wigan, he went from top to bottom of that club and made sure all age groups, coaches and teams were all pulling in the same direction and singing off the same hymm sheet. This is what we need at Leeds. Weve been far too disjointed for too long.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:55 pm  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

What I would say when MM came in at Wigan, he went from top to bottom of that club and made sure all age groups, coaches and teams were all pulling in the same direction and singing off the same hymm sheet. This is what we need at Leeds. Weve been far too disjointed for too long.

I would agree that this is essential but would see it as Sinfield's role not Furner's.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:06 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I would agree that this is essential but would see it as Sinfield's role not Furner's.

I agree and I would be shocked if he isn't already looking at that, he has said there is a ton of work going on in the background

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:17 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I would agree that this is essential but would see it as Sinfield's role not Furner's.

I would see this as a dual role.

Furner to set the standards required and Sinfield to make sure that they are not only achieved, but maintained.

You are right, Sinfield is going to have his hands full with this and ATEOTD its his responsibility to make sure they are attained.

Re: Dave Furner - New Head Coach : Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:18 pm  

christopher wrote:

I agree and I would be shocked if he isn't already looking at that, he has said there is a ton of work going on in the background

I agree with your agreement. My original post was aimed at tempering those who were willing a root & branch overhaul by Furner, only 2 months after hailing Sinfield's appointment to do just that.