: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:26 pm  

G1 wrote:

he has an agenda. It fits it to apportion the blame to Watkins.

He'll force a square peg into a round hole if necessary.

Get away. He has been quite consistent all season in what he has said, and nothing has alluded to not rating Watkins.

Infact, although you keep having this dissagreement with him, in truth you have recently voiced exactly the same view as tvoc. You are actually in agreement with one another. But you wont admit to it.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:27 pm  

Matt23 wrote:

Stop it you two. He'd be a great replacement for Smith on the right.

No he wouldn't - he's drivel.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:44 pm  

G1 wrote:

he has an agenda. It fits it to apportion the blame to Watkins.

He'll force a square peg into a round hole if necessary.

My agenda is not exposing Watkins in the Leeds centre until he is ready. It's an agenda supported with each appearance he makes in the position and one seemingly shared by the Leeds coaching staff.

Andy Gilder wrote:

If he'd run at Watkins then and got over him to score then you might have had a point.

And the other two points in the critique?

Andy Gilder wrote:

Not a lot the A defender can do if the markers are all over the place because one of them can't dominate the tackle properly.

Webb on Heckenberg?

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:59 pm  

A chant of one ryan atkins went up at harlequins on saturday have i missed something???

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:01 pm  

tvoc wrote:

He still made it easier for himself by running at Watkins.

from what I could see Watkins only error was that of turning his back to play which he shouldnt do. i wouldnt say its going to take him 12 months to get rid of that from his game. Had he gone back to the defensive line while watching play i suspect he may have made the tackle

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:07 pm  

bewildered wrote:

from what I could see Watkins only error was that of turning his back to play which he shouldnt do. i wouldnt say its going to take him 12 months to get rid of that from his game. Had he gone back to the defensive line while watching play i suspect he may have made the tackle

That's quite a defensive deficiency wouldn't you say, especially so close to the line. Fatigue?

How long will it take to get him to concentrate when getting up to play the ball?

Another sloppy effort on Saturday although the referee missed it. Fatigue?

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:46 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Webb on Heckenberg?

Heckenberg was running at speed, upright when Webb had the opportunity to get under him. Randall picked the ball up from dummy half and kept low, no chance of anyone getting under him to stop him grounding the ball.

Have you taken a look at who was at marker, out of interest - or does that not fit your witch hunt?

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:45 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

or does that not fit your witch hunt?

When does it stop being a witch hunt and start being a critique?

Watkins played the last 16 minutes and was targetted for a Harlequins try - where he turned his back, then initially moved to his left away from McGuire at marker inviting Randall to go over - he then knocked on at the other end and performed one of the sloppiest play the balls of the game.

Some people appear to think Watkins should be a 1st choice centre at Leeds, I don't at this point, based on his performances when played in that position up to and including his 16 minutes V the Harlequins on Saturday.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:51 pm  

tvoc wrote:

When does it stop being a witch hunt and start being a critique?

When you start apportioning blame for something without attaching any to others who were equally culpable - Worrall for getting himself out of position by not controlling the tackle, McGuire for not moving from marker to even lay a finger on Randall - then it becomes a witch hunt.

McGuire put a perfectly good pass down in midfield during the second half because he was too busy looking where he was going before he caught the ball - I don't see his performance being "critiqued" in a similar fashion?

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:57 pm  

I personally don't think the salary cap is the reason Lee is moving I could be wrong but I suspect it might be something to do with a certain actress who is no longer working in a Soap in the region, I'm making the assumption she is still his girlfriend and if so will have moved south?