Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 5:34 am  

I agree that we need a reset and Rohan and most of the back up coaches need to go as our performance levels over the last 18 months have fallen well below whats acceptable for a club of Leeds size. Smith is getting all the stick but many players are underperforming and not standing up! In the glory days we had multiple leaders in the team now they are sadly lacking. Currently the only players I see any consistency and leadership from are Handley and Martyn. We don't look bothered by defeats.
Back in the day Sinfield Peacock and Maguire dictated the culture to the rest of the squad and if you were not willing to stand up you wouldn't last long!

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 6:59 am  

Looks like all the foroum are in general agreement that Smith has failed. The main talking point should be how much damage has Smith done, I can think of 3 players that should be out of the door immediately. Obviously that will be difficult because of contractual agreements. Potentially Smith has set us back at least 2 seasons. No point in immediately sacking him , let him continue to the end of the season. That give us ample time to find a new coach.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 7:11 am  

The decision on a new coach depends on who's available and when they might want to come over, but leaving a 'dead coach walking' in place if a decision has been made to get rid will simply make things worse. If its reached that point you have to get them out of the club, as much for their own benefit as the team. The players would have zero respect for a coach in that position, and they'd still get the blame for every poor performance, with no upside.

Far better put a caretaker in, but if it is a caretaker they have to know they will not get the gig long term. No Agar-style fudging and ending up with someone out of their depth because they win a game or two. It would put the assistants in the shop window for future head coach roles, and also show us all whether some of our squad are as bad as they currently look or are playing poorly in a messed up team.

While we as fans might think its all over I'm not sure GH has reached that point yet. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see no announcement in the near future, and we just bumble onwards, because the club bet a lot on Smith being the right man. They followed up a poor season with splashing the cash, which showed they had faith at the start of this season. I'm sure faith is wearing thin, but its not just Smith's ego at stake here....

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 8:47 am  

Once were Loiners wrote:

The decision on a new coach depends on who's available and when they might want to come over, but leaving a 'dead coach walking' in place if a decision has been made to get rid will simply make things worse. If its reached that point you have to get them out of the club, as much for their own benefit as the team. The players would have zero respect for a coach in that position, and they'd still get the blame for every poor performance, with no upside.

Far better put a caretaker in, but if it is a caretaker they have to know they will not get the gig long term. No Agar-style fudging and ending up with someone out of their depth because they win a game or two. It would put the assistants in the shop window for future head coach roles, and also show us all whether some of our squad are as bad as they currently look or are playing poorly in a messed up team.

While we as fans might think it’s all over I'm not sure GH has reached that point yet. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see no announcement in the near future, and we just bumble onwards, because the club bet a lot on Smith being the right man. They followed up a poor season with splashing the cash, which showed they had faith at the start of this season. I'm sure faith is wearing thin, but it’s not just Smith's ego at stake here....

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 9:08 am  

Once were Loiners wrote:

The decision on a new coach depends on who's available and when they might want to come over, but leaving a 'dead coach walking' in place if a decision has been made to get rid will simply make things worse. If its reached that point you have to get them out of the club, as much for their own benefit as the team. The players would have zero respect for a coach in that position, and they'd still get the blame for every poor performance, with no upside.

Far better put a caretaker in, but if it is a caretaker they have to know they will not get the gig long term. No Agar-style fudging and ending up with someone out of their depth because they win a game or two. It would put the assistants in the shop window for future head coach roles, and also show us all whether some of our squad are as bad as they currently look or are playing poorly in a messed up team.

While we as fans might think its all over I'm not sure GH has reached that point yet. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see no announcement in the near future, and we just bumble onwards, because the club bet a lot on Smith being the right man. They followed up a poor season with splashing the cash, which showed they had faith at the start of this season. I'm sure faith is wearing thin, but its not just Smith's ego at stake here....

Agree with most of that, especially the ego comment. Smith failure also reflects on the senior management that appointed him, which in reflection was a big gamble. Think Smiths main fault is signing average to poor players and thinking he can transform them into top class players. Finally the players have to accept some responsibility for this mess. Saw the first half of the Catalan Warrington game, Warrington defence absolutely rock solid bags of courage and commitment. Contrast that with our performance at saints especially Newmans attitude. Probably highlights the difference between Burgess and Smith.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 9:44 am  

christopher wrote:

Can’t see Wane wanting s bit part role, he’s happy coaching England for 3 games a year, he also hates us doesn’t he?

Why does he hate leeds? He used to play for leeds. He is a proud Wiganer as you would expect. But he is also a professional coach.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 9:52 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

Long term I agree, but I’d think he would be interested in a short term role if the money was right. His approach is also what we need, won’t stand for any crap, will let those not pulling their weight know.

I agree 100% and have been saying it all season.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 12:24 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Looks like all the foroum are in general agreement that Smith has failed. The main talking point should be how much damage has Smith done, I can think of 3 players that should be out of the door immediately. Obviously that will be difficult because of contractual agreements. Potentially Smith has set us back at least 2 seasons. No point in immediately sacking him , let him continue to the end of the season. That give us ample time to find a new coach.

So keep him on and let him cause more damage

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 12:28 pm  

Smithout wrote:

Why does he hate leeds? He used to play for leeds. He is a proud Wiganer as you would expect. But he is also a professional coach.

He did not want to be here then

Re: Smith out ASAP : Mon May 27, 2024 1:06 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

He did not want to be here then

Who said he didn't want the job? Was he asked? If so was the contract not good enough? Just like you i don 't know. And prob never will