Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 4:58 pm  

17 wins out of 41 games is appalling. Not one for knee jerk reactions but this can't continue. If Brad Arthur could be persuaded to come over then not only would it would be a huge statement of intent by the club, but in my opinion we'd have a proven, top class coach for the first time in a long while.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 6:35 pm  

Rhinos DNA, culture, brotherhood, hand in brothers on 3, breathing circles, 'the struggle ' coffees together....it all looks overly contrived and they could look any less connected as a result. It's a really hard moment for smith as he must surely be questioning his own philosophies

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 7:02 pm  

They COULD look less connected as a result?

Oh well that’s good, it means they’re not at the lowest ebb of looking connected.

There’s a lower unit of looking disconnected than where they are currently at, they still have room to manoeuvre in the field of looking less connected, they’ve not hit rock bottom.

Or did you mean, they COULDN’T look less connected? On the scale of looking disconnected, they’re at zero, and since you can’t have negative connectedness it’s not possible for them to be any more disconnected, they’ve bottomed out. Is that what you meant? Or could you care less.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 7:44 pm  

...that's a pretty long reply for a pretty obvious typo.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 9:40 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

17 wins out of 41 games is appalling. Not one for knee jerk reactions but this can't continue. If Brad Arthur could be persuaded to come over then not only would it would be a huge statement of intent by the club, but in my opinion we'd have a proven, top class coach for the first time in a long while.

Wow 17 wins out of 41 games. Didn’t realise that is his record. That’s disgraceful for a club like this

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 10:04 pm  

Trebor1 wrote:

Wow 17 wins out of 41 games. Didn’t realise that is his record. That’s disgraceful for a club like this

In fairness (and I think his time is up) that's his record over the last season and a half. First year he was 14 wins out 19 and a GF.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 10:12 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

In fairness (and I think his time is up) that's his record over the last season and a half. First year he was 14 wins out 19 and a GF.

Yes, I was quoting a Lot Pod stat on his record after reaching the GF. However, this in my view makes it worse. We had every expectation of kicking on and building on that initial success. Yes, there'd be bumps in the road, but our record is simply awful.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 10:15 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

The more I think about this the more I think we need to change now. I’d ask Shaun Wane if he would take the job for the rest of this year, but not longer, and then would look to bring in either Brad Arthur or Peter Wallace. Wane would clear out the rank culture, and could advise on players to keep or replace such that Arthur or Wallace would then be able to start with a clean slate.

The culture on the sporting side stinks and we nee a strong hand to clean that up first.

I can't see what Wane would get out of this other than a pay cheque .Why would the players respond if they know he's only short term.If there was to be an in coming coach next season I'm sure they would want to make the decisions on who stays once they have arrived.Plus I don't think we have that many off contract which as we know makes it harder to move players on.For mine the new coach has to come in now or we stick with Smith this season then bring in the new guy.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 10:24 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

Yes, I was quoting a Lot Pod stat on his record after reaching the GF. However, this in my view makes it worse. We had every expectation of kicking on and building on that initial success. Yes, there'd be bumps in the road, but our record is simply awful.

Agreed. In some ways the stats don't bother me. It's the actual performances that make me want to scream like an extra in a cheap horror movie. Just the same excruciating script every week. Very sad, when you consider the hope that the last six months of 22 engendered.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun May 26, 2024 11:42 pm  

Agree entirely with that Arthur. Its the performances. Even the early wins this year came about through miracle plays which covered up some basic flaws.

That's why I jumped off the Rohan bandwagon a while ago. We were 'only' a couple of points off the top but clearly going backwards, and I reckon every side in the comp looks forward to playing us. We gift position and possession and have no punch up front or in attacking positions.That gives every other team a chance against us. Its the same issues every week and nothing changes except the players seem to be losing belief. Again.

Just on the players with coaches. They have always been fickle. You occasionally see them stand up for coaches at risk to themselves, but it's generally only very senior players who can or will take full responsibility for performances. Most of the time they'll back the coach to the point where blame starts being pointed at them, and then they let the coach fry. Why admit to playing badly when you can blame the coach? Not sure if we've quite reached that point, but we can't be far off. Once that happens its game over for the coach.