Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:35 pm  

christopher wrote:

And their fans seem as entitled as some Leeds Rhinos fans in that respect.

The Rhinos will have good times on the field again just like Man United will.

Christ, nobody listens to anyone do they. This entitled argument is nonsense, both clubs have relative abundances that have been mismanaged. Should supporters of a club the size of Leeds feel entitled to expect better management decisions and performances (notice I didn't say winning every year), I think so yes.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:38 pm  

Seth wrote:

Yeah but the caveat Christopher is that it translates to success. Nobody (or few) think ' we've not finished in the top 4 for 6 years, the quality on the pitch is pretty dire. But just have a look at these spreadsheets!'

In the last 6 years we’ve won a GF, a CCF, and been to another GF.

That’s pretty much the same as any other team bar Saints.

See what I mean about entitlement.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:39 pm  

Seth wrote:

Christ, nobody listens to anyone do they. This entitled argument is nonsense, both clubs have relative abundances that have been mismanaged. Should supporters of a club the size of Leeds feel entitled to expect better management decisions and performances (notice I didn't say winning every year), I think so yes.

It really isn’t nonsense. You’ve just said you feel entitled to better.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:42 pm  

christopher wrote:

In the last 6 years we’ve won a GF, a CCF, and been to another GF.

That’s pretty much the same as any other team bar Saints.

See what I mean about entitlement.

No, I really don't. Not finishing in the top 4 for years and the week to week performances that have in the main been dreadful. Give me a period of no trophies but more consistent good entertaining performances and I'd be happy with that.

Did we get even one 80 minute performance this year?

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:44 pm  

christopher wrote:

It really isn’t nonsense. You’ve just said you feel entitled to better.

Christopher if you can't apply context and understanding to what I actually said then theres no conversation is there.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:48 pm  

Seth wrote:

No, I really don't. Not finishing in the top 4 for years and the week to week performances that have in the main been dreadful. Give me a period of no trophies but more consistent good entertaining performances and I'd be happy with that.

Did we get even one 80 minute performance this year?

You maybe happy with consistent performances but no Grand Finals, CC finals but do you really think some on here would, be honest! Theyd be slagging the club off for being bottlers.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:50 pm  

Seth wrote:

Christopher if you can't apply context and understanding to what I actually said then theres no conversation is there.

The context was clear, you think fans of a club the size of Leeds are entitled to better.

I’m saying that entitlement doesn’t work in reality in sport.

We are not entitled to anything.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:56 pm  

christopher wrote:

The context was clear, you think fans of a club the size of Leeds are entitled to better.

I’m saying that entitlement doesn’t work in reality in sport.

We are not entitled to anything.

I'd disagree as the context isnt expectation of winning everything or even close, it's on the management actually making competent decisions that lead to performances. And that's where 'entitlement' works the same as in any other service industry. We're not underperforming just because the competition are just so much better, it's because of incompetent management.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:04 pm  

Seth wrote:

I'd disagree as the context isnt expectation of winning everything or even close, it's on the management actually making competent decisions that lead to performances. And that's where 'entitlement' works the same as in any other service industry. We're not underperforming just because the competition are just so much better, it's because of incompetent management.

We’re not going to agree on this so it’s probably going no where, but I think you are missing the main point that sport is very different to most other businesses, you say incompetent management yet we are the best run SL club, that has just had a few bad years on the pitch.

The people that run the club are not incompetent, far from it.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:09 pm  

Another big factor is the relative standard of a weaker competition that we've been under performing in too.

The Bradford cup defeat that (I'm assuming) everyone was shocked and disappointed in to put it mildly, the other year. Were all the supporters over entitled then too? Or Christopher were you able to shrug your shoulders and say 'ah well this is sport' (I'm sure you were).