Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:59 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

So it's GH's fault that two people broke the law and got themselves jailed.

Keep up Printer. Everything's GH fault, apart from those things that are McDermott's fault.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:00 am  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

If Leeds release Chicko it's the usual weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, booo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.

Leeds don't and it's, weak sooper league, Leeds are rubbish, boo hiss, guffaw etc schtick.

By plenty, duly noted, straw man!

Boring troll is boring.

Not forgetting... Sheeple & 911 was an inside job.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:02 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Its the club's job to get these young guys earning not a lot the best advice and representation - something Leeds failed to achieve. If you speak to Chev - who I think is a pretty level headed down to earth guy - he really resents the way the club virtually washed their hands of them. Yes the let them play on after but that was only to stop other clubs getting their hands on them.

Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.

It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?

Did Bowyer and Woodgate deserve to walk free? Did Walker and Bailey? Ever heard of taking responsibility for your actions? Why did Bowyer and Woodgate get better advice/representation.....anybody would think football had a lot more money in that sport than RL.

You say it's the clubs job to get these guys the best advice and representation.....well it's also the players jobs not to get themselves arrested for drunken brawls so they failed in their roles much worst first.

The people to blame for Walker and Bailey being jailed are......Walker and Bailey.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:12 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Biff Tannen wrote:

I too find it difficult to understand why it would ever be the clubs responsibility to fund legal advice for two of their employees who have allegedly committed an offence out of work time...

Its the club's job to get these young guys earning not a lot the best advice and representation - something Leeds failed to achieve. If you speak to Chev - who I think is a pretty level headed down to earth guy - he really resents the way the club virtually washed their hands of them. Yes the let them play on after but that was only to stop other clubs getting their hands on them.

Let's compare the actions of Leeds Utd with Bowyer and Woodgate and GH and Walker and Bailey.

It could argued that what Bowyer and Woodgate did was far worse - yet guess what they walk free why do you think that was?

Interesting you should say that - as having known both players well from well before that incident, I have the complete opposite impression. Both players and their families have expressed nothing but gratitude and praise for the way Leeds supported them during and after that whole eopisode.
And for one of them, that support continued for over a decade, despite many other incidents along the way.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:36 am  

Superted wrote:

Interesting you should say that - as having known both players well from well before that incident, I have the complete opposite impression. Both players and their families have expressed nothing but gratitude and praise for the way Leeds supported them during and after that whole eopisode.
And for one of them, that support continued for over a decade, despite many other incidents along the way.

That can't be true as Sal tells us that Walker is full of resentment that the club didn't get Kavanagh QC to defend him.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:45 am  

The difference in the way Warrington have handled Sandow with the way the malevolent, threatening, revengeful and litigious Leeds have handled Segeyaro is stark.

Warrington, although disappointed, have moved on quickly and immediately got around to seeking a replacement. Leeds OTOH have moaned, groaned, spat the dummy, threatened, sanctioned and done sweet FA about a replacement apart from announce a Plan B, whatever that is.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:50 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

That can't be true as Sal tells us that Walker is full of resentment that the club didn't get Kavanagh QC to defend him.

Even Kavanagh QC might have struggled to defend an assault captured in full on CCTV. Which the other one wasn't, meaning that the identities of some of the alleged perpetrators could not be established beyond reasonable doubt.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:50 am  

friend who worked at the rhinos back then said if you'd seen the video you'd understand why walker and bailey went down.it was horrendous.

as for Woodgate/bowyer, there was no cctv evidence and frankly little other evidence either.
the two aren't comparable

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:13 am  

William Eve wrote:

The difference in the way Warrington have handled Sandow with the way the malevolent, threatening, revengeful and litigious Leeds have handled Segeyaro is stark.

Warrington, although disappointed, have moved on quickly and immediately got around to seeking a replacement. Leeds OTOH have moaned, groaned, spat the dummy, threatened, sanctioned and done sweet FA about a replacement apart from announce a Plan B, whatever that is.

You forgot to reply to illy, here's his post again so you don't have to go searching....

illy wrote:

Recent has everything to do with it when you state " Currently by the CEO and the Coach" and the current coach was no where near Leeds back in 2001.

On your new list of players:

Calderwood left for more money and to play full back ( he Can't)
Danny Ward Several issues and warnings for behavior and drink driving
Paul Sterling Treated badly by the coach of the time Dean Lance.... Dean Lance SACKED by the CEO
Ben Cross Was a flop and did not get into the team, asked for a release which was granted
Lee Jackson Left in 2000 with 12 months contract remaining to return to Hull on a two year deal again long before BM was coach
Darrell Griffin Could not get in team and sent to Salford on loan, should not have done the Dirty on Saints after agreeing a verbal deal with them.
Jamie Thackray Another player who did not make the grade and shipped out to Doncaster and Hull

So which of these players have suffered from "malevolent, hostile, litigious, actions by GH / BM.

Criticism of the club is / can be justified at times however your constant whine is boring and yes a discussion board so other peoples views also count.

Re: James Segeyaro : Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:21 am  

William Eve wrote:

The difference in the way Warrington have handled Sandow with the way the malevolent, threatening, revengeful and litigious Leeds have handled Segeyaro is stark.

Maybe wire should have helped resolve the issues that made it impossible for him to remain in the area?