Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:55 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Last year we had people moaning at BM and the club for not giving youngsters a go early enough and developing them in the first team.

We now have those same people wanting to sack the coach and questioning the club because those same youngsters who should have been given game time aren't good enough and shouldn't be in the first team.

True. We went out and signed some Aussie forwards "oh why aren't we playing our youngsters instead?"

We decided to go with Sutcliffe in the halves "oh why didn't we sign an Aussie instead?"

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:01 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Last year we had people moaning at BM and the club for not giving youngsters a go early enough and developing them in the first team.

We now have those same people wanting to sack the coach and questioning the club because those same youngsters who should have been given game time aren't good enough and shouldn't be in the first team.

Hmmm there's a severe lack of context here imo.
1st off our current plight cannot be described in anyway as a Coach giving youth a chance its completely the opposite its throwing whoever the next prospect is who can walk into the 19 & trying to make do.
Wrt the Coach lets be honest look around the SL at other clubs robbed by injuries yet they are performing & in many cases winning games its thst simple.
The departures/injuries have exposed our Coach imho as not being able to adapt & left us as rudderless off the pitch as on it.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:22 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Hmmm there's a severe lack of context here imo.
1st off our current plight cannot be described in anyway as a Coach giving youth a chance its completely the opposite its throwing whoever the next prospect is who can walk into the 19 & trying to make do.
Wrt the Coach lets be honest look around the SL at other clubs robbed by injuries yet they are performing & in many cases winning games its thst simple.
The departures/injuries have exposed our Coach imho as not being able to adapt & left us as rudderless off the pitch as on it.

I actually think too many people are placing too much emphasis on the absence of Sinfield & Peacock. Sinfield hasn't exactly disappeared off the face of the earth. He's still around and he still talks to them. A lot of these guys played hundreds of games with him and Peacock, has someone just come along and erased their memories of what they might do or say at certain points. It's like when Tony Smith left will players have suddenly forgotten everything they learnt off him, no. You don't need Sinfield there to know not to drop the ball cold or not fall off a tackle.

Not saying Sinfield's influence wouldn't be missed at all but it shouldn't be missed to the extent where you drop down to 11th because you can't even do the basics well. The attacking style we played with last year wasn't exactly a style created with Sinfield and Peacock in mind and was largely off the cuff so surely it isn't as vital to have that organisation there when your attack was all about off the cuff.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:34 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Last year we had people moaning at BM and the club for not giving youngsters a go early enough and developing them in the first team.

We now have those same people wanting to sack the coach and questioning the club because those same youngsters who should have been given game time aren't good enough and shouldn't be in the first team.

What youngsters? we are not playing youngsters, we are playing people over the academy age group, people who could have been ready earlier had it followed which you now moan at people for saying earlier, or at least know what we know now. Doesn't make sense your post.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:41 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

What youngsters? we are not playing youngsters, we are playing people over the academy age group, people who could have been ready earlier had it followed which you now moan at people for saying earlier, or at least know what we know now. Doesn't make sense your post.

So who, in our treble winning year, should Handley Golding Lilley and Sutcliffe have replaced so that they would be ready for this year?

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:51 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

So who, in our treble winning year, should Handley Golding Lilley and Sutcliffe have replaced so that they would be ready for this year?

Replaced? who said replace? It is development you concentrate on not replacing at earlier years. Handley is perfectly capable, and looks perfectly at ease, so not sure why he is mentioned, but then again look how many games he got before this season, which kind of backs up the point.

Sutcliffe isn't out of his depth because of his age, he is out of his depth because he is not capable of playing stand off at this level, a point quite a few could see previously. That is different to that suggested.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:02 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Really? I think most thought we'd have a fight on to make top 4 let alone be going for 1st, especially in the same style of 2004. The top clubs have been fairly evenly matches for a while now, the last time their were clubs who should've (and did) dominate were Saints and Leeds 07-09 who both were clearly well ahead of the rest.

I didnt expect so at the start of the year, but given how well we were playing and the fact that we battered a few of the big teams then I think the fact we lost 8 games shows lapses in concentration and under par performances that have been typical under Mac.
Given that the performances of Cuthbertson, Aiton, Ward, Mcguire, Hardaker and Mcguire were all good enough to get our player of the year most seasons, and we had easily the best balanced squad in the league, it is not far fetched to say that a 2004 style 50 point season was attainable.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:03 pm  

McDermott being lined up for Hull KR? I can't believe it, one of the most sought after jobs in the game. Guess I'll just have to hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong in regards to his post Leeds career.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:08 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

I actually think too many people are placing too much emphasis on the absence of Sinfield & Peacock. Sinfield hasn't exactly disappeared off the face of the earth. He's still around and he still talks to them. A lot of these guys played hundreds of games with him and Peacock, has someone just come along and erased their memories of what they might do or say at certain points. It's like when Tony Smith left will players have suddenly forgotten everything they learnt off him, no. You don't need Sinfield there to know not to drop the ball cold or not fall off a tackle.

Not saying Sinfield's influence wouldn't be missed at all but it shouldn't be missed to the extent where you drop down to 11th because you can't even do the basics well. The attacking style we played with last year wasn't exactly a style created with Sinfield and Peacock in mind and was largely off the cuff so surely it isn't as vital to have that organisation there when your attack was all about off the cuff.

Exactly mate, I was worried that we might miss Sinfield in tight games or when we were trying to hold a lead, but Im pretty sure it wasnt him who was getting all the quick PTBs last year or organising the defence.

Re: Enough is enough : Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:11 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Replaced? who said replace? It is development you concentrate on not replacing at earlier years. Handley is perfectly capable, and looks perfectly at ease, so not sure why he is mentioned, but then again look how many games he got before this season, which kind of backs up the point.

Sutcliffe isn't out of his depth because of his age, he is out of his depth because he is not capable of playing stand off at this level, a point quite a few could see previously. That is different to that suggested.

Is Watkins not capable of playing at this level? or Galloway? or Falloon? or Hall? or Burrow? because they have been a lot worse than Sutcliffe, stop using him as a scapegoat to the problems of the whole team! People were all saying he couldnt pass and he threw an absolute peach to put in Ablett against HKR but that doesnt count because....