Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:06 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Whatever that role is it has to add value otherwise its a waste of money which could be invested more fruitfully. This is a business after all not a home for every ex player.

The only person making any money out of rugby AM is Simmons - the viewing figures are really low so that is not a viable option for JJB longer-term.

The danger is the club becomes a "Donkey Sanctuary" for all the ex-players. Let's give Sinny a job, Rob a job, Chev a job.....
What job can we find for JJB, Carl, Danny Mags (when he calls it a day at HKR).
If we simply keep old players on where do the fresh ideas come from?
These players have served the club well and have been rewarded handsomely but we don't owe them a living.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:30 am  

ant1 wrote:

The danger is the club becomes a "Donkey Sanctuary" for all the ex-players. Let's give Sinny a job, Rob a job, Chev a job.....
What job can we find for JJB, Carl, Danny Mags (when he calls it a day at HKR).
If we simply keep old players on where do the fresh ideas come from?
These players have served the club well and have been rewarded handsomely but we don't owe them a living.

Dave Furner (although technically he is also an ex player)

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:57 pm  

ant1 wrote:

The danger is the club becomes a "Donkey Sanctuary" for all the ex-players. Let's give Sinny a job, Rob a job, Chev a job.....
What job can we find for JJB, Carl, Danny Mags (when he calls it a day at HKR).
If we simply keep old players on where do the fresh ideas come from?
These players have served the club well and have been rewarded handsomely but we don't owe them a living.

It is a long-term way to get around the salary cap by promising them a post-playing career if they stay with the club long-term as a player... Those title-winning teams certainly were full of players who could have left for more.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:40 pm  

ant1 wrote:

The danger is the club becomes a "Donkey Sanctuary" for all the ex-players. Let's give Sinny a job, Rob a job, Chev a job.....
What job can we find for JJB, Carl, Danny Mags (when he calls it a day at HKR).
If we simply keep old players on where do the fresh ideas come from?
These players have served the club well and have been rewarded handsomely but we don't owe them a living.

That`s been my worry since Sinfield took over and he has certainly not eased my concerns.
You also forgot to add Lowes to the list of mates he has found a job for.
JP might not be far off either in some capacity.

Is Furner bringing any of his old backroom staff with him or does he have to settle for what`s left at the club?

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:45 pm  

chapylad wrote:

That`s been my worry since Sinfield took over and he has certainly not eased my concerns.
You also forgot to add Lowes to the list of mates he has found a job for.
JP might not be far off either in some capacity.

Is Furner bringing any of his old backroom staff with him or does he have to settle for what`s left at the club?

Whose mates? Are you talking about sinny finding jobs for mates? If so, sonny did not give any job to Lowes, they were appointed at the same time weren't they?

It doesn't look as though Furner is bringing over a backroom staff based on what has been said so far and chev/lowes will provide his support which I agree is far from satisfactory.

As for JJB getting an off field role it depends what it is. I would assume it is something media based which he has experience in. I would be both surprised and disappointed if it was in a coaching capacity.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:40 pm  

Nobody on here has any idea about the abilities, or not, of the coaching staff. Lowes has been recommended by countless players for his work as an assistant and there's no reason to think Furner isn't going to be happy with the team he inherits - Sinfield has had plenty of chance to change it with the other backroom moves but has decided not to.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:06 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Nobody on here has any idea about the abilities, or not, of the coaching staff. Lowes has been recommended by countless players for his work as an assistant and there's no reason to think Furner isn't going to be happy with the team he inherits - Sinfield has had plenty of chance to change it with the other backroom moves but has decided not to.

I have seen nothing from lowes record to suggest he is an above average coach. I have seen nothing from his time at Leeds to suggest he is an above average coach.

I don't know him. I have never played under him but I'm pretty sure him and Chev are nobody's idea of a dream team.

If Furner stays past the first year I would expect to see changes in his support staff.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:58 pm  

Fallon wrote:

Whose mates? Are you talking about sinny finding jobs for mates? If so, sonny did not give any job to Lowes, they were appointed at the same time weren't they?

It doesn't look as though Furner is bringing over a backroom staff based on what has been said so far and chev/lowes will provide his support which I agree is far from satisfactory.

As for JJB getting an off field role it depends what it is. I would assume it is something media based which he has experience in. I would be both surprised and disappointed if it was in a coaching capacity.

If Sinfield wanted to get rid of Lowes, Walker, Burrow from the coaching staff he would have done.
If he wanted to move on the likes of JJB and Ablett he would have done that too.
He either thinks they have something to offer or he is doing them a favour.
He also sees something in Sutcliffe that I have yet to see.
But it is on his head now so let`s see if he is right.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:12 pm  

Wayne Bennett seems to rate Lowes, but I’m sure all the experts on here know better.

Re: 2019 | Squad : Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:17 pm  

Blocker75 wrote:

Wayne Bennett seems to rate Lowes, but I’m sure all the experts on here know better.

Well if Wayne has brought him in for a three match series he must be the man to pull Leeds up by the boot straps thoughout the next three seasons then.

Find me one fan who is genuinely pleased to have lowes on the coaching staff. That doesn't mean it isn't right, we are just fans. But as an outsider looking in we have a pretty uninspiring support staff for Furner which undeniably smells of jobs for the boys.

It may be a bootroom style masterstroke, who knows. But I maintain most people are underwhelmed.