: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:27 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I'm afraid anyone who take Ryan Bailey over Gareth Carvell needs their head read (unless you're taking injuries into account).

I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.

It also doesn't show some of the other aspects of the game which are important. i.e. time ont he pitch, what role you are on the pitch, whether you actually played prop. You do realize that Bailey has played in the second row at times this year rather than prop? If you dont then your response is irrelevant, just like the stats you quote.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:28 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.

Metres made, number of carries and tackles made largely depend on the amount of time spent on the field. Without factoring that in, these stats are largely meaningless. Even metres per carry will be affected, as a prop who plays 40 mins per game would, in most cases, make more metres per carry than one who played the full 80 say.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:30 am  

flipper wrote:

not to mention how quickly you'd be banned from the saints site..

Maybe I should try it? Just to see how long it takes

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:30 am  

37 pages

Ryan's disciplinary record in games for Leeds is one of the most lenient of the squad.

As others have quite rightly posted, Peacock is allowed to start fights, throw punches and get sin binned, yet Bailey's legal tackle is condemned by feckwittt Scouse Knownowts and other fans of the lesser teams in SL.

Scouse fans really haven't got over last years 'Back to back' Grand Final loss have they. Seems I will have to leave my avatar a little longer...

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:30 am  

finglas wrote:

I suspect that most Sainst fans would have Bailey over Fa'asavalu and possibly Cayless.

Fa'asavalu is a luxury 4th prop, that different kind of player that is there to add impact when coming off the bench. I'm always reluctant to directly compare the likes of him and Paleasina to solid starting props.

I would suggest that Cayless is a much better prop who has struggled with injury pretty much the entire of 2008. In his early seasons with us he was really outstanding.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:31 am  

Longun wrote:

37 pages

Ryan's disciplinary record in games for Leeds is one of the most lenient of the squad.

As others have quite rightly posted, Peacock is allowed to start fights, throw punches and get sin binned, yet Bailey's legal tackle is condemned by feckwittt Scouse Knownowts and other fans of the lesser teams in SL.

Scouse fans really haven't got over last years 'Back to back' Grand Final loss have they. Seems I will have to leave my avatar a little longer...

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:33 am  

finglas wrote:

I suspect that most Sainst fans would have Bailey over Fa'asavalu and possibly Cayless. I would love to have Graham at Leeds but I am also very happy with Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey, Burgess and Kirke as my props and don't feel that Graham would be a worthwhile signing within the salary cap.

Bailey is a thug and should be banned.
There will always be a place for Bailey in St. Helens.
The local abotoir springs to mind.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:35 am  

Saint Ermintrude wrote:

Bailey is a thug and should be banned.
There will always be a place for Bailey in St. Helens.
The local abotoir springs to mind.

For what? All I saw him do was pi$$ off a Ginger chancer. He should be given a medal not banned

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:37 am  

Clearwing wrote:

Metres made, number of carries and tackles made largely depend on the amount of time spent on the field. Without factoring that in, these stats are largely meaningless. Even metres per carry will be affected, as a prop who plays 40 mins per game would, in most cases, make more metres per carry than one who played the full 80 say.

Which is why we should always take them with a pinch of salt.
I would, however, tend to assume that the number of carries is directly proportional to the time spent on the pitch.
Given that Bailey's number of carries is quite low, I would suggest he isn't on the pitch as long as some of his peers. Which means that his reletively low metre per carry is, for me, dissapointing.
It does mean, however, that he's appears a pretty busy tackler when he's on the pitch.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:40 am  

Saint Ermintrude wrote:

Bailey is a thug and should be banned.
There will always be a place for Bailey in St. Helens.
The local abotoir springs to mind.

Isn't that more suited to infected cattle, riddled with BSE and frothing at the mouth? Do you pay James Graham a visit often?