Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:24 pm  

Brodie123 wrote:

Resigned or pushed I don’t give a dam, only 6 month rolling contract so any payoff would have been small.

The issue was never Agar, although he should never have been given the job in the first place, or at least he should have handed over the head coach after winning the CC. The problem person was and is GH. When he appoints the next coach he needs to take a step back and give the coach 100% support. Like Furner or not with the rumours of a split camp led by one of the coaches, that should never have happened at the club, it needed a clear out and all it has done and added more years onto the so called rebuilding of the team.

How the club is structured with only 3 shareholders, the two big shareholders are Caddick and GH, you need to be a very wealthy man to buy out GH and his shares. That isn’t going to happen , so as much as he likes to interfere he needs to let the coach get on with his job.

Between the Caddick family and Hetherington family if the shares of the club have been set up right, they will be so called shareholder agreements in place in the event of death of one of them, otherwise GH daughter may take over his mantle when GH decides to call it a day.
Get the right coach GH, take a backward step GH , let the coach make all the decisions, if he wants to clear them out, sack a few existing coaches let it happen.
Not long ago, only a couple of seasons ago, one of the shareholders said to me, Agar is well liked in the dressing room, the players like him.
Well, I don’t want the players to like the coach, I want the coach to coach, make the decisions and if he breaks a few eggs then so be it, but this time GH and the others have to support him, not the players.

Looking at the team on Friday night, Agar has lost half the team, they have stopped playing for him. Righty so he’s gone, another job in the future at Headingley, he can wash the kit, he will end up at either a championship club or lower, unfortunately having coached at Warrington, Hull and at Leeds, all three situations have ended up the same. We are now no better than when Furner was sacked. Surely making him DOR is simply a dream it can’t be an option.
Mr Agar has simply had his day, he has had 3 opportunities at 3 good clubs, and has now left the clubs in positions where none of them are better for his experience. He has simply blown any opportunity of getting DOR at Headingley.
After 6 games the season is over, hopefully the new coach will give this team some self belief, something is missing, they train like a top 4 team during the week, then match day they play like relegation fodder, you don’t need to be a genius to guess who is, or who are at fault.

As usual the blue and amber people will give me a right kicking for my comments, but before you do surely I have as much right to voice my opinion as you chaps.

1. Do you know what a DOR does?

2. You know it was Sinfield who hired and who then sacked Furner, right?

3. Coaches at Leeds have been happy with Hetherington doing the recruitment and contracts role primarily because it takes it firmly off their desk but also because he has been so good at it - and because his judgement of a player and their value is well respected. But he's been trying to step away from it since at least 2017 when Sinfield was brought in to do exactly that.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:52 pm  

Please not Danny Ward, not really done anything apart from one decent season with LB. We should imo be looking at Sebold now the 6 Nations has finished or one of the many assistant coaches from the NRL. Lot to pick from and hungry to make a name for themselves.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:43 pm  

Just on recruitment, its generally been bad since 2015. If coaches since then have been happy to step back from that and let GH take the lead then he is to blame for it. I'd say its too simple - there's no way Tui and Hurrell weren't brought by Furner.

My view is no self-respecting coach would not want to have control of recruitment. If any coaches have thought different that explains in part why they've failed.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:45 am  

This was inevitable with a loss on Friday.

My issue is I simply dont trust the people making the decision on a replacement to get this decision right which tells me the issue isnt just the Head Coach position. This decision is a massive one for the future of the club. Massive.

Having watched the press conferences GH seems to be hinting at JJB quite a lot. I really hope Im reading too much into that.

You look at the coaching odds and there arent many there that fill me with excitement at all.

What a hole we are in. Cant believe it.

There is talent in that squad but no leadership, no discipline and no heart but it is a far better team than it has shown, far better. The head coach deserved criticism, the players deserve more and the CEO has to take his share too.

Three or 4 years ago the club appointed Sinfield, Furner and Agar to key roles and all 3 have now left the club.

Fair play to Agar for holding his hands up and admitting what he was doing wasnt good enough for Leeds RL maybe others should do the same and maybe some players should also accept their part in this. Half of them never seem to speak.

Its a sad day for the club but also an opportunity to review and improve. Lets hope we get this appointment right but as I say I dont trust the people making that call anymore.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 am  

Brodie123 wrote:

Resigned or pushed I don’t give a dam, only 6 month rolling contract so any payoff would have been small.

The issue was never Agar, although he should never have been given the job in the first place, or at least he should have handed over the head coach after winning the CC. The problem person was and is GH. When he appoints the next coach he needs to take a step back and give the coach 100% support. Like Furner or not with the rumours of a split camp led by one of the coaches, that should never have happened at the club, it needed a clear out and all it has done and added more years onto the so called rebuilding of the team.

How the club is structured with only 3 shareholders, the two big shareholders are Caddick and GH, you need to be a very wealthy man to buy out GH and his shares. That isn’t going to happen , so as much as he likes to interfere he needs to let the coach get on with his job.

Between the Caddick family and Hetherington family if the shares of the club have been set up right, they will be so called shareholder agreements in place in the event of death of one of them, otherwise GH daughter may take over his mantle when GH decides to call it a day.
Get the right coach GH, take a backward step GH , let the coach make all the decisions, if he wants to clear them out, sack a few existing coaches let it happen.
Not long ago, only a couple of seasons ago, one of the shareholders said to me, Agar is well liked in the dressing room, the players like him.
Well, I don’t want the players to like the coach, I want the coach to coach, make the decisions and if he breaks a few eggs then so be it, but this time GH and the others have to support him, not the players.

Looking at the team on Friday night, Agar has lost half the team, they have stopped playing for him. Righty so he’s gone, another job in the future at Headingley, he can wash the kit, he will end up at either a championship club or lower, unfortunately having coached at Warrington, Hull and at Leeds, all three situations have ended up the same. We are now no better than when Furner was sacked. Surely making him DOR is simply a dream it can’t be an option.
Mr Agar has simply had his day, he has had 3 opportunities at 3 good clubs, and has now left the clubs in positions where none of them are better for his experience. He has simply blown any opportunity of getting DOR at Headingley.
After 6 games the season is over, hopefully the new coach will give this team some self belief, something is missing, they train like a top 4 team during the week, then match day they play like relegation fodder, you don’t need to be a genius to guess who is, or who are at fault.

As usual the blue and amber people will give me a right kicking for my comments, but before you do surely I have as much right to voice my opinion as you chaps.

As a Hull fan, but also a RL fan, wanting to see Saints challenged, I did voice my concern over your then coach. I don't think your season is over, by any means- if you appoint the right coach, that is still probably the third best squad in SL, so if he gets them all playing Leeds will easily make the play offs, but the insistence on "old boy" appointments needs to stop. Sinfield, for all he is a wonderful human being, just hasn't got the club going forwards so if Leeds clear out all of the deadwood , especially the coaches, get the right guy in place , with his own team, that is still a fearsome squad and could easily go on a big run of victories,

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:15 am  

Maybe some of the players won't say anything because they're not happy campers?

I agree entirely that the next decision is huge. We've just seen what making the wrong decisions can do to a club - not getting rid of McDermott, Furner and Agar have cost us years of progress. Even worse is the continuing conveyor belt of ex-players into other roles. Not one has made a fist of it. Even Sinfield did OK in some areas but he made some bad signings plus appointed/helped appoint Furner then Agar. It was far too early for him in his managerial career to be making those decisions.

Lets hope Peter Smith is wrong when listing potential coaches Leeds might consider - the 5 he gives are JJB, Long, Ryan Carr, James Webster and a combo of Tony Smith/Danny McGuire. That's two coaches involved in the current shambles, one with recent Leeds connections, someone who has a CV similar in lack of quality to Agar, and Tony Smith. I'd really hope we're casting the net far wider than this.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:19 am  

I wonder why Shaun Edwards never appears on bookies lists. Granted he is probably being paid ten times what most super league clubs would pay but the man has pedigree and is a RL legend. I personally would like to see him back in our game.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:17 am  

Bobtownrhino wrote:

I wonder why Shaun Edwards never appears on bookies lists. Granted he is probably being paid ten times what most super league clubs would pay but the man has pedigree and is a RL legend. I personally would like to see him back in our game.

Aside from the money, as big an issue as that is, he's built a good reputation for himself in Union. Very doubtful that he'd put himself in a position to jeopardise that. The Wigan on/off debacle won't have helped either.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:01 am  

Imagine if Brian Mac was offered a chance to come back... This messageboard would go into meltdown.

Re: 2022 | Richard Agar resigns : Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:24 am  

Edwards has no experience of coaching Rugby League for decades. It was a crazy appointment when Wigan tried it. It'd be even more insane for us now.

We need someone who has coached or assisted at the top level in the modern game.