Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:23 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

To be fair to the Bulls supporters, their first and often only priority was to save the club from the administrators wrecking ball as you will see if you read the relevant threads on their forum, after they're in a safe place then you'll find that many of them start asking awkward questions of the existing shareholders.

Too late. Investment secured, why would they suddenly do the right thing and face the music? At best they'll sell, at the value secured by the free revenue.

McLaren_Field wrote:

just for an example - if you were asked this afternoon to donate £100 to a building fund for the new southstand would you donate ?

No. Unless a supporters' trust or similar got a meaningful stake in the business out of it. But to be honest, unlike the Bulls, the private business at HQ seems to be being run quite well (as far as I can tell) so it would be best left in the hands of the experts, who can finance the new stand when and if they can do it in a way that makes commercial sense.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:37 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

No. Unless a supporters' trust or similar got a meaningful stake in the business out of it. But to be honest, unlike the Bulls, the private business at HQ seems to be being run quite well (as far as I can tell) so it would be best left in the hands of the experts, who can finance the new stand when and if they can do it in a way that makes commercial sense.

I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.

I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:20 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.

I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.

Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.

Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.

Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.

Bradford made a huge error not promising that every pledge will save a kitten, and that with every pledge you get a slice of cake dependent on the amount pledged.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:12 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

I'm pleased for some of the bulls fans, in that they have dug deep to save their club, but reading the report in League Express on Tuesday I got a bit angry. The source of my anger is that this is a private company, which has somehow (and this, it must be said, was a masterstroke by an apparently inept board) come to be treated as a charity. People have handed over £500k to a private business, no strings attached. £14k from a bucket collection? There are actual charities doing selfless, worthwhile work out there who would have quite liked over a ton of coinage. But no, all that philanthropic good will has been poured without thought into the coffers of a business with it's own shareholders, which needed it because it had squandered every penny it had before.

I don't want to see the Bulls go under, but the whole thing feels quite wrong to me.

Spot on.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:35 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

McLaren_Field wrote:

I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.

I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.

Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.

Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.

Mice don't.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:50 pm  

just over 3000 today do bradford fans still want a club one game fans

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:15 am  

There is a perfectly good argument going on at the moment between the supporters of the 2 Bradford clubs (City/Bulls)

We all know Odsal isn't and won't be getting better anytime soon, in fact it's going to get worse.
Bradford City have a 25,000 seater stadium which is a decent looking stadium ready in the making for them yet the "old-gaurd" at Odsal would rather see there club go under than move.

OK, Valley Parade isn't in the best of areas BUT it's a decent stadium and one which the 2 clubs should be sharing in my opinion.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:17 am  

RhinoLaney wrote:

There is a perfectly good argument going on at the moment between the supporters of the 2 Bradford clubs (City/Bulls)

We all know Odsal isn't and won't be getting better anytime soon, in fact it's going to get worse.
Bradford City have a 25,000 seater stadium which is a decent looking stadium ready in the making for them yet the "old-gaurd" at Odsal would rather see there club go under than move.

OK, Valley Parade isn't in the best of areas BUT it's a great stadium and one which the 2 clubs should be sharing in my opinion.

Steady on.

Re: Bradford lying to fans again? : Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:22 am  

There you go buddy