Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 6:52 am  

They've clearly failed on the attitude front as much as ability. There's zero fight in the squad as a whole. They act like a bunch of U9s when the other team won't let them score.

Reminds me of when we brought in David Hulme to help out in 96. He was past it but he at least brought a much needed fighting attitude to the squad.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 6:53 am  

FGB wrote:

'Know nowts' as someone name called on this thread earlier Talk about a load of sanctimonious BS. No one has a clue what's going on at HQ despite some claims otherwise. Classic SS.

Agreed - one thing is for certain those in charge only want the best for the club and as such as tifosi we have to trust them to get on with their job.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 7:17 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Just saying and repeating something doesn't make it true. You accuse myself and others of having "an agenda" just because we have different views to you and you are something of a hypocrite regarding your accusations. You have not been accused of having an agenda against both McDermott and Hetherington despite years of bad mouthing both at every opportunity. It is a year since BM was sacked yet you are still blaming him for current poor performances.

The club may well have been interested in Furner (or not) before Sinfield selected him, but in the end Sinfield and Hetherington have both admitted it was Kevin's choice which was then backed by GH. So no amount of bluster can mitigate his mistake.

Even if you can justify that Leeds needed a DOR in the first place, the position requires proven experience in business, man management and coaching. None of which Sinfield can claim to have. Playing experience is just not enough for such a senior role. If indeed we needed a Director of Rugby then it should have been advertised and a short list selected. Giving jobs to former players is high risk and in his year in post Sinfield has as bad a record as the coach he has just sacked who was in post for half the time. His recruitment and team selections show poor judgement and his clash with his chosen coach point to poor man management skills and he comes over as wooden and lacking the human touch in his interviews. I hope he can learn fast and can prove me wrong.

Let me split this in two, because you have brought up a point a couple of times in it which I think is more fitting.

Firstly, I don't accuse others of an "agenda" I accuse you, and you prove it time after time after time. Furthermore, anyone, anyone, who truely believes that this mess we are in is not the result of McDermott and Hetherington, and could be fixed quickly, shouldn't be posting on here. They should be banging their head against a wall and knocking some sense into it. That isn't opinion, that's as clear as night and day.

Now more to the point, and one I was trying to get out of Fallon, unsuccessfully. You have been quick to continue with your "agenda" of anti Sinfield, rather than concentrate on what is your true point. You said it a couple of times.

Did we need a Director of Rugby? That you have repeated. The answer to that is, who knows? I don't know, you don't know, and most here don't know. That will only become apparent in the future. That is a completely seperate argument to the person doing the job, and I point I don't feel in a position to dispute at all. However, I personally think the title is irrelevant, and is purely the stepping stone to what will be his ultimate position if all goes to plan.

But, the point is the club appointed this role, along with other structural changes, and they have put this in place. Which then comes back to the person in the role. I ask again, who around the game doing that same role, is more desirable for it than Sinfield? I gave two examples of others, Fitzpatrick at Warrington, and Wells at Cas. Why would you think they are more right for it? Neither have Sinfields game understanding, neither have Sinfields winning mentality, neither was a leader of others, neither had that focus and desire to succeed. I doubt they are is equal intelligence, but I don't know that, and I do know Wells inparticular is an intelligent guy. Now do you hear Warrington and Cas fans moaning about that role? No, simply becuase they don't have a mess to deal with that they have inherited, a mess that is not of Sinfields making. So asking again who doing the role of Sinfield currently is a better fit?

Furthermore, there is many many cases throughout the world of business that you spoke of, where people have based a decision on taking someone on purely on personality and drive to succeed, cases that have been a massive success. What's the difference here with that? That doesn't mean in my opinion that I think Sinfield will be a success, only time will tell with that, but I do think he deserves time in the role to do it first.

I will finish by highlighting one of Sinfields biggest mistakes since taking over that role, which will come out at some point, and I notice as this is another smack in the teeth of another little "agenda" of yours you keep completely quite about it. The backing and decision to retain JJB was a big mistake.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 7:32 am  

Calm down Lads

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 8:27 am  

I don't think anybody needs to calm down, this is just passionate debate by people who have differing views. It's what sites like this are for.

To answer your previous question Gotcha, I don't know who else we could have appointed to the role, but then it isn't my job to know, that's what GH is paid for.

My only point is that Sinny lacks experience and therefore appointing him is a risk. A risk which at this point has not proved successful to either my untrained and uneducated eye or the SL table. I agree the squad was in a mess when he took over and that patience is required but in the c9 months he has been at the club I have seen no noticeable improvement in any visible element of the club. If anything, I think we have gone backwards.

Will it turn out ok in the end? I hope so but I don't know.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 8:45 am  

Fallon wrote:

I don't think anybody needs to calm down, this is just passionate debate by people who have differing views. It's what sites like this are for.

To answer your previous question Gotcha, I don't know who else we could have appointed to the role, but then it isn't my job to know, that's what GH is paid for.

My only point is that Sinny lacks experience and therefore appointing him is a risk. A risk which at this point has not proved successful to either my untrained and uneducated eye or the SL table. I agree the squad was in a mess when he took over and that patience is required but in the c9 months he has been at the club I have seen no noticeable improvement in any visible element of the club. If anything, I think we have gone backwards.

Will it turn out ok in the end? I hope so but I don't know.

And there is nothing wrong with that view, you are not constantly posting anti messages against him. But I still don't see the issue on the experience side for "this" role. It is new, it isn't there at every club. What those requirements for it are, are not the same you would assume for such as an head coach role. I still don't see a better fit than him for "that" role. Whether it was required or not, I repeat, I can't answer and only time will tell that.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 9:05 am  

Gotcha wrote:

And there is nothing wrong with that view, you are not constantly posting anti messages against him. But I still don't see the issue on the experience side for "this" role. It is new, it isn't there at every club. What those requirements for it are, are not the same you would assume for such as an head coach role. I still don't see a better fit than him for "that" role. Whether it was required or not, I repeat, I can't answer and only time will tell that.

I think KS has man-management track record. The guy was our most successful captain ever, and that was in a team of challenging egos. I don’t suppose that’s an easy job, or one many people could pull off.
The critical thing for me with his new role is 100% the recruitment and retention side, because that’s really all it boils down to. We don’t know all the ins and outs of contracts, nor what players are all being paid (specifically re. JJB and Ablett), and we don’t know how much input GH is having still behind the scenes.
Hurrell and Merrin are both OK signings, Ava in theory is good and the Academy is generally getting it right.
Seriously guys we’re probably talking about a c.3 year process to rebuild here, and KS will need to be judged over time. I’m not overjoyed at some of the players we have signed under him, or been linked with, or sometimes missed out on - but I’m sure he is working his backside off behind the scenes trying to find fixes and we should support him in that IMO. The bloke is blue and amber right through the middle but he’s not Harry Potter.

Let’s just see what happens over the rest of this year with new players and new coach before chasing him down the street with torches and pitchforks.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 9:59 am  

Agree with most of what Gotcha says re Sinfield etc.
What I wil add though is he and GH have made Far more mistakes than just retaining Jjb and should be held accountable for Signing Ablett Albert Crosby Lolohea L.Briscoe hiring/firing Furner and retaining Lowes as well.
That's a garbage start to ANYONES career as a DOR and it needs reversing whilst implementing a better recruitment/retention plan going forward.

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 12:05 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Agree with most of what Gotcha says re Sinfield etc.
What I wil add though is he and GH have made Far more mistakes than just retaining Jjb and should be held accountable for Signing Ablett Albert Crosby Lolohea L.Briscoe hiring/firing Furner and retaining Lowes as well.
That's a garbage start to ANYONES career as a DOR and it needs reversing whilst implementing a better recruitment/retention plan going forward.

Ablett and Crosby being injured is hardly Sinfields fault.

Lolohea wasn’ T Sinfields signing, Albert will most likely be on a tiny wage and was just a body to sign whilst we were short on numbers.

Tetaining Lowes was a mistake and his biggest mistake Was Furner a mistake he admitted to and even offered to leave because of it.

Sinfield needs jusdging further down the line IMO and we don’t know what other thimgs he has implemented in the club which could turn out to be a success

Re: New Head Coach - who's it going to be? : Fri May 31, 2019 1:27 pm  

There has been no new or extended contracts awarded up to now ,I wonder if there really is going to be a mass clear out ? If so I think we need a new coach to be I engaged immediately so he can assess things with the DOR for next year .