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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:43 am  
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It's not about the defeats for me.
I can take being 0 from 3, especially against 3 teams who will probably finish above us.
It's the manner of the defeats that is the concern.
We look really badly coached and totally devoid of any game plan.
That doesn't suddenly change overnight.
Dwyer is the case in point - we have him on the bench as a last resort to try and salvage something from a game.
Smacks of fear and desperation.
I'm sure getting Newman, Fusitua, Martin and Bentley back will help - but tbh they will probably just replace the next set of players injured or suspended.

I'm not calling for Agar's head, but some decisions, both selection and in game are totally baffling.
Broadbent and Johnson should be playing - but we all know they won't be.
Starting with our only 3 props is utter madness.
And seeing Johnson hung out to dry in the centres was just totally ridiculous.
And Agar, Leeming and team have to get into Smiths head about his lazy tackling.
He's a quality player and should start at 13, but the 6 agains kills us every time. But it should be fixable.

I admire your optimism Chris, and I hope you're saying I told you so in a couple of months when we have a few W's on the board.
But I just can't see it at the moment.
Next 3 games, really are must win, but are also winnable. With the right selections and an actual game plan.


The manner of the defeat against wigan was very concerning, thr other two not so much IMO, i thought we were awful against Cats but we did actually create enough chances to win it, we just didn’t take them, both Sutcliffe and Gannon should have kept hold if the ball and if they do we score and win it’s not as if we got thumped and as I say we were very poor.

It’s not about optimism its about pragmatism, we do have the players, we need another prop and im not convinced about Sutcliffe but i just don’t see the point in writing the team off after 3 games, everyone can have whatever opinion they want, my opinion is that these 3 games won’t define the full season.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:44 am  
For me this isnt about 3 games it's about last season also being littered with similar efforts and we should have moved on now from putting in 2 of those back to back. I was equally critical of performances last year and was told by others that given X Y and Z circumstances I was being unfair/unrealistic, well here we still are. Look at the continuation of mediocrity Hull FC have had, we need to be better than that.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:46 am  
Simmo71 wrote:
It's not about the defeats for me.
I can take being 0 from 3, especially against 3 teams who will probably finish above us.
It's the manner of the defeats that is the concern.
We look really badly coached and totally devoid of any game plan.
That doesn't suddenly change overnight.
Dwyer is the case in point - we have him on the bench as a last resort to try and salvage something from a game.
Smacks of fear and desperation.
I'm sure getting Newman, Fusitua, Martin and Bentley back will help - but tbh they will probably just replace the next set of players injured or suspended.

I'm not calling for Agar's head, but some decisions, both selection and in game are totally baffling.
Broadbent and Johnson should be playing - but we all know they won't be.
Starting with our only 3 props is utter madness.
And seeing Johnson hung out to dry in the centres was just totally ridiculous.
And Agar, Leeming and team have to get into Smiths head about his lazy tackling.
He's a quality player and should start at 13, but the 6 agains kills us every time. But it should be fixable.

I admire your optimism Chris, and I hope you're saying I told you so in a couple of months when we have a few W's on the board.
But I just can't see it at the moment.
Next 3 games, really are must win, but are also winnable. With the right selections and an actual game plan.

Very well said.

Agree 100%
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:51 pm  
christopher wrote:
On to the team, if Handley isn’t 100% id rest him.

Wakey play off the cuff unstructured Rugby this year, and will be tricky.

1. Walker
2. Fusitu’a
3. Newman
4. Broadbent
5. Tindall
6. Austin
7. Sezer
8. Tetevano
9. Leeming
10. Prior
11. Gannon
12. Martin/Donaldson
13. Smith

14. Dwyer
15. Oledski
16. Sutcliffe
17 Thompson

I would prefer Johnson but I think Dwyer might be the best option against Wakefield

Do we have a return date for Martin? I have no issue with his compassionate leave, but we could really do with him back especially now Mellor is likely to be missing.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:30 pm  
Having watched the Catalan game again , that is undoubtedly is the worst display of distribution I have seen from a hooker for many years - that from our hookers in the second half.
I then sat and watched Hull KR v Castleford and watched a virtually perfect man of the match performance from a hooker - great distribution , solid defence , penetrating sniping runs and great link up play - who else but Matt Parcell .
Lock our 2 hookers in a room for a couple of days to watch the tape, until they are brainwashed.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:36 pm  
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Do we have a return date for Martin? I have no issue with his compassionate leave, but we could really do with him back especially now Mellor is likely to be missing.

Flies back this weekend.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:16 pm  
I know very few people will probably agree with me on here but I think Smith is too slow at 13 and i think he slows the game down and actually hinders the attack. He has the footballing skills and ability and works really hard and puts a shift in but looks a stone overweight me for the role he should be playing.
How many actual defence splitting passes or quality offloads has he actually delivered. A thirteen shpuld either be a ball playing organiser like a Sinfield or a big dynamic lock like a Sam Burgess. Smith seems to be stuck somewhere between the two and unsure what type of forward he wants to be.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:45 am  
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I know very few people will probably agree with me on here but I think Smith is too slow at 13 and i think he slows the game down and actually hinders the attack. He has the footballing skills and ability and works really hard and puts a shift in but looks a stone overweight me for the role he should be playing.
How many actual defence splitting passes or quality offloads has he actually delivered. A thirteen shpuld either be a ball playing organiser like a Sinfield or a big dynamic lock like a Sam Burgess. Smith seems to be stuck somewhere between the two and unsure what type of forward he wants to be.

He probably falls into a middle!! :wink:
He did make 48 tackles on the night I think.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:05 pm  
Weve much bigger issues than Cam Smith to be fair.
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Re: RD 4 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:50 pm  
Struggling to find a high point to discuss from Thursdays poor performance and won’t dwell on the negatives as they have been widely covered. The thing that worried me the most is that Catalan are supposed to be one of the top 3 contenders for this season and what I have seen of them so far is they are going to be mid table at best. Wakey had a mini resurgence against Saints and almost made a game of it. If we are not a lot better than we have been then we are going to lose there too. Then 0 from 4 becomes a much bigger concern. I’ve always been one to say have faith but it is getting harder to believe
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