: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:05 pm  

Maverick Rhino wrote:

Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington

Thanks for that. I don't keep the penalty count religiously as it were so there's always liable to be the odd gap here and there but that will do nicely.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:06 pm  

DISA wrote:

Not so sure there is too much they can do in that regards.

I dont want to sound paranoid, but a typical example was last night.

Bradford were in the Leeds half, and were playing the ball 8 meters inside the half way line, 2 metres short of the 40 line. Leeds were lined up clearly on the replay on the 30 metre line. You dont have to be good at Maths to work out that is 12 metres back. 10 metres to be onside, yet Leeds were penalised for offiside.

I have no doubt a couple of players stepped in front of Smith, but they were clearly taken 12 metres back, not 10. Yet penalized.

Oh and anothe penatly was for the technicality of the Burrow no try. I need clarification on this, but I was told by a nerdy nut at my gym this morning who has databases on all this poop, that the last time on his records that that offence was pulled was in 1982.

Like I said, dont want to sound paranoid, but I dont see what the players can do to stop those two examples.

Hurts when it happens to you for a change, doesn't it? And yes, as I'm sure you would have told us had the positions been reversed (as has been the case all too often of late), you DO sound paranoid...

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:06 pm  

Wheels wrote:

Have you seen the size of Bradford's pitch? I'd be suprised if they were even 10 meters back, let alone 12.

Don't let the whitewash fool you...

I cant argue if you are saying the lines are not 10 metres. But in scale to what the lines were meant to be it was 12 metres.

I presume the officials look to the lines though, and if so Smith got that one badly wrong.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:08 pm  

Wheels wrote:

Have you seen the size of Bradford's pitch? I'd be suprised if they were even 10 meters back, let alone 12.

Don't let the whitewash fool you...

In the interest of fairness, Bradford's pitch is now only a couple of metres or so short of the full 100m - it was extended several years ago. It is also pretty wide.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:08 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Hurts when it happens to you for a change, doesn't it? And yes, as I'm sure you would have told us had the positions been reversed (as has been the case all too often of late), you DO sound paranoid...

Hang on a minute Adey. I am not talking specifically about last night in the whole. I have not mentioned the silly video ref desions, hopefully that will be put to bed and it finally puts behind us Millenium Magic.

Whas I was sepcifically talking about was Leeds discipline, and the conceeding of penalties. I pointed out two specific incidents last night that were wrong, as an example as to, how can the players improve that.

[Wheels]

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:11 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

In the interest of fairness, Bradford's pitch is now only a couple of metres or so short of the full 100m - it was extended several years ago. It is also pretty wide.

They should bring back the upturned corners...

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:13 pm  

DISA wrote:

Whas I was sepcifically talking about was Leeds discipline, and the conceeding of penalties. I pointed out two specific incidents last night that were wrong, as an example as to, how can the players improve that.

Was Smith one sided in his officiating?

It generally didn't appear that way to me. More analysis is needed if you want to give a balanced view based on the whole 80 minutes rather than a one-sided snapshot taken here and there.

Ask your mate at the gym it sounds like he'd know.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:14 pm  

DISA wrote:

Hang on a minute Adey. I am not talking specifically about last night in the whole. I have not mentioned the silly video ref desions, hopefully that will be put to bed and it finally puts behind us Millenium Magic.

Whas I was sepcifically talking about was Leeds discipline, and the conceeding of penalties. I pointed out two specific incidents last night that were wrong, as an example as to, how can the players improve that.

Sorry then - I misunderstood - assumed from what you said that you were on about "biased" referees, in the mould of Bradford fans over recent years!

One thing I noted from the replay - you had the timing of coming off the completed tackle down to perfection. Two seconds (almost aways) after Smith shouted "held", he shouted "move!". Pretty well always three seconds after that, your guys moved. To the nanosecond. Every time. About one nanosecond short of ranking for a penalty. I said elsewhere that that is something we should learn from, cos your discipline there seemed superb.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:17 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Was Smith one sided in his officiating?

It generally didn't appear that way to me. More analysis is needed if you want to give a balanced view based on the whole 80 minutes rather than a one-sided snapshot taken here and there.

Ask your mate at the gym it sounds like he'd know.

In answer to your question, yes I would say he was one sided, in relation to the offiside ruling, and a fair 10 metres.

However that is irrelevant. What I was asking is, pointing out the specific decision last night about 4 minutes into second half. How can the players stop that from happening in the future? Other than going even further than 12 metres back which would be stupid.

And its not the first time this season, it happend twice at Hull KR earlier in the season. Pulled for offiside despite been more than the required 10 metres back.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:37 pm  

DISA wrote:

How can the players stop that from happening in the future? Other than going even further than 12 metres back which would be stupid.

And Smith never pinged Bradford in the exact same way at any time during the 80 minutes?

Not according to the Sky Sports coverage unless my ears were deceiving me when Clarke made the self same comment you've just made only with the boot firmly on the other foot.