Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:59 am  

fishy3005 wrote:

Eh???? Im not comparing the incident 14 years ago to the current match review. I’m not comparing Lee Smith to Morgan Knowles or the severity. The point I made was that the same leeds fans wanting to sell their GF tickets and boycott the sport this week probably had no problem with the judiciary letting Lee Smith off in 2008. It doesn’t make a difference when it happened. Hypocrites.
I don’t know how I can make my point any simpler for you.

The word Probably is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

I could just swell say the saints fans that were 'probably' moaning about Lee Smith in 2008 are now saying this fine - hypocrites

Chris

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:10 am  

It will be interesting to see if the sky broadcasting team make any reference to it this coming Saturday. Obviously a hot topic ,will they have the courage to discuss the matter in depth.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:16 am  

Just need to forget about it and focus on the game. Pretty sure that's what RS and team will be doing

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:22 am  

christopher wrote:

The word Probably is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

I could just swell say the saints fans that were 'probably' moaning about Lee Smith in 2008 are now saying this fine - hypocrites

Chris

Nope. Most Saints fans think Knowles is very fortunate to be playing and like myself would of had no qualms with him being banned.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:22 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

It will be interesting to see if the sky broadcasting team make any reference to it this coming Saturday. Obviously a hot topic ,will they have the courage to discuss the matter in depth.

Nope,I expect them to continue the Saints love in, like they did when they were handed their arses in the last 4 grand final losses against us.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:32 am  

Rod Studd's summary on twitter is 'interesting'

Basically Saints said these holds are used in Judo and by the Police so it's all fine.

The more interesting part is that the second appeal judiciary didn't rule on the actual incident just the first appeal and threw the appeal out now surely that should actually mean a retrial rather than throwing it out, and throwing the appeal out should surely mean that the original summary from the MRP should stand?

I didn't think they could make this look worse, but they've managed it.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:40 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think the bottom line is that what Knowles did doesn’t look great but didnt carry an unacceptable risk of injury (or indeed any risk of injury) and wasn’t a Grade B charge..

from what I saw the only reason for that is because the Salford player twisted round to avoid injury, if he'd been held by another player the outcome could have been completely different. Anyway it's done and dusted now, this topic should be about the match now.

The disciplinary issue should be on a separate thread entitled disciplinary incompetence which would allow the powers to see the depth of feeling over this. It would be ideal if it could be a cross forum thread, but not sure if this can be done.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:46 am  

christopher wrote:

Rod Studd's summary on twitter is 'interesting'

Basically Saints said these holds are used in Judo and by the Police so it's all fine.

The more interesting part is that the second appeal judiciary didn't rule on the actual incident just the first appeal and threw the appeal out now surely that should actually mean a retrial rather than throwing it out, and throwing the appeal out should surely mean that the original summary from the MRP should stand?

I didn't think they could make this look worse, but they've managed it.

We need to bear in mind that Studd almost certainly has got his info from St Helens so it's hardly neutral reporting. Not that you'd go to him for reliable or impartial stuff anyway.


But the whole thing in the way he's presented it appears to rest on a sort on legalese typo where the appeal summing up was inconsistent with the "of course he's guilty, what are you insane?" finding of the appeal.

How this ends in Knowles just being entirely free of his guilt and ban is totally unclear. He's not been found innocent by anyone.


So St Helens can have their victory on Saturday, I'm sure they'll love it despite it being asterisked forever, as it will be.

The rest of us can only wonder how they and the RFL reduced the game we loved to this.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:47 am  

christopher wrote:

Rod Studd's summary on twitter is 'interesting'

Basically Saints said these holds are used in Judo and by the Police so it's all fine.

The more interesting part is that the second appeal judiciary didn't rule on the actual incident just the first appeal and threw the appeal out now surely that should actually mean a retrial rather than throwing it out, and throwing the appeal out should surely mean that the original summary from the MRP should stand?

I didn't think they could make this look worse, but they've managed it.

Wow.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:49 am  

fishy3005 wrote:

My point? I just made a bunch of them in the previous post. They either went over your head or you simply chose not to address them
My point was that the same people crying about the decision to overturn Knowles ban probably didn’t mind Lee Smith getting off. Doesn’t matter if it happened 14 weeks or 14 years back.
Mature comeback with the Chris Joynt incident. Well done to you.

Did Lee Smith throw a grenade at the appeals process to get whatever sanction he was given overturned? He did not.

Your fatuous comparison doesn't even hold the tiniest bit of water.