Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:34 am  

roydskt wrote:

I'm not a leeds fan. Used to admire Saints but no longer. The incident was a deliberate foul action by Knowles which could so easily have broken an opponents arm or dislocated his shoulder - a disgrace that his ban has been overturned.
"Integrity" and the "RFL disciplinary committee" should no longer be mentioned in the same sentence.
Shame on you, RFL.

Why you upset with Saints they appealed the decision and won, Your beef should be with the RFL. very petty

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:37 am  

NEWS FLASH:

Mike Rush has words with the MRP and manages to twist there arm to get Morgan off with his ban.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:40 am  

roydskt wrote:

I'm not a leeds fan. Used to admire Saints but no longer. The incident was a deliberate foul action by Knowles which could so easily have broken an opponents arm or dislocated his shoulder - a disgrace that his ban has been overturned.
"Integrity" and the "RFL disciplinary committee" should no longer be mentioned in the same sentence.
Shame on you, RFL.

But that’s just the point isn’t it - it couldn’t easily have broken an opponents arm because it has been proven to be within the normal range of movement. Have a scratch of your back, see how far your arm moves then watch the incident and see how Knowles is holding the arm rather than forcing it anywhere dangerous. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks he was trying to hurt him rather than just hold his arm to slow a PTB.

I think the disciplinary is a farce and I wouldn’t have cared too much about a ban - it didn’t look great even though I don’t think it was forceful or dangerous.

But if it can be proven that the arm wasn’t forced / used as a lever in an unnatural position then there was no danger - it seems the RFL has caused itself an issue with the nature of the charge around unacceptable risk of injury being unsupportable when challenged.

I also think Atkin made a nonsensical meal of it too which we don’t want. Was it him trying to get Roby in trouble for a non/existent crusher also or another Salford player?

The disciplinary is clearly rubbish and needs to be professionalised and shaken up. As for the rest about corruption, tainted titles (for the team finishing top and simply having an appea be successful) and other tin foil hat nonsense - I think people need to get a bit of a grip.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:42 am  

but you said earlier in the week it was stupid and deserved a ban.
changed your tune now

Re: Refund! : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:49 am  

Just shows that old saying needs adjusting to "Don't count your chicken wings" a disgraceful decision that shown the inept and , possibly corrupt nature of our sport's governance. even as a Hull fan, I'll be screaming for a Rhinos victory come final time.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:50 am  

tad rhino wrote:

but you said earlier in the week it was stupid and deserved a ban.
changed your tune now

In the context of what has been banned this season I thought he’d get a ban. I also thought it was stupid as there was no need for it knowing how trigger happy the disciplinary have been.

But I can’t honestly say I think that it was dangerous or likely to cause injury or was done with any intention to do anything other than slow a PTB. So in terms of the challenge to the appeal I can absolutely understand why Saints focussed on that element and why it’s been accepted that what Knowles did did not give rise to an unacceptable risk of injury.

I still think it was stupid because it gave risk to a risk of a ban - which it did - but I don’t think it was any more dangerous than all sorts of things that happen to slow down a PTB.

It’s all a total mess. If it helps speed up change in the disciplinary system then good but it’s created noise and anger that needn’t have existed.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:52 am  

Rommel wrote:

Why you upset with Saints they appealed the decision and won, Your beef should be with the RFL. very petty

St Helens have form for it .

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:55 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

But that’s just the point isn’t it - it couldn’t easily have broken an opponents arm because it has been proven to be within the normal range of movement. Have a scratch of your back, see how far your arm moves then watch the incident and see how Knowles is holding the arm rather than forcing it anywhere dangerous. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks he was trying to hurt him rather than just hold his arm to slow a PTB.

I think the disciplinary is a farce and I wouldn’t have cared too much about a ban - it didn’t look great even though I don’t think it was forceful or dangerous.

But if it can be proven that the arm wasn’t forced / used as a lever in an unnatural position then there was no danger - it seems the RFL has caused itself an issue with the nature of the charge around unacceptable risk of injury being unsupportable when challenged.

I also think Atkin made a nonsensical meal of it too which we don’t want. Was it him trying to get Roby in trouble for a non/existent crusher also or another Salford player?

The disciplinary is clearly rubbish and needs to be professionalised and shaken up. As for the rest about corruption, tainted titles (for the team finishing top and simply having an appea be successful) and other tin foil hat nonsense - I think people need to get a bit of a grip.

Even a leading NRL physio and injury analyst has questioned the decision. It’s stinks and has undermined the RFL’s integrity.

There’s many Saints fans online saying the same thing..

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:35 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

But that’s just the point isn’t it - it couldn’t easily have broken an opponents arm because it has been proven to be within the normal range of movement. Have a scratch of your back, see how far your arm moves then watch the incident and see how Knowles is holding the arm rather than forcing it anywhere dangerous. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks he was trying to hurt him rather than just hold his arm to slow a PTB.

I think the disciplinary is a farce and I wouldn’t have cared too much about a ban - it didn’t look great even though I don’t think it was forceful or dangerous.

But if it can be proven that the arm wasn’t forced / used as a lever in an unnatural position then there was no danger - it seems the RFL has caused itself an issue with the nature of the charge around unacceptable risk of injury being unsupportable when challenged.

I also think Atkin made a nonsensical meal of it too which we don’t want. Was it him trying to get Roby in trouble for a non/existent crusher also or another Salford player?

The disciplinary is clearly rubbish and needs to be professionalised and shaken up. As for the rest about corruption, tainted titles (for the team finishing top and simply having an appea be successful) and other tin foil hat nonsense - I think people need to get a bit of a grip.

Next year we can all look forward to cynical coaches and players incorporating the "the back scratch" into the wrestle, sorry tackle. What a wonderful spectacle that will be. These decisions have consequences beyond one players ability to play in a final. So sad that an act that any right minded human being, never mind a follower of the sport, would recognise as potentially dangerous, is now allowable. Sure it will attract legions of young kids to the game.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:38 am  

From what I can gather, Saints took a sports scientist to the second appeal and he’s basically said whilst pressure was put on the joint, there was no realist chance of 'serious' injury.

So basically, that’s my verdict as a professional so you can’t argue with it. They’ve just crumbled and it’s pathetic.

Opened up a massive can of worms this now