Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:37 pm  

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote: I don’t want it both ways and don’t recognise your first paragraph. I want refs to deal with it on the pitch such as in the C Cup final when Smithies should have been carded twice but wasn’t. Huddersfield lost out but Wigan’s next opponents gained. Regardless, my view makes no difference either way. Example; https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... 549811.amp

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote: I don’t want it both ways and don’t recognise your first paragraph. I want refs to deal with it on the pitch such as in the C Cup final when Smithies should have been carded twice but wasn’t. Huddersfield lost out but Wigan’s next opponents gained. Regardless, my view makes no difference either way. Example; https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... 549811.amp

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:02 am  

Just on the appeal, its absolute nonsense that an appeal on fairly reasonable grounds should result in an increased ban. That is what's happened twice - Leeds haven't just gone in and stamped their feet, they've reviewed similar cases and thought the suspension was OTT. Assuming the appeal was made in a reasonable and reasoned manner, responding with an increase to the ban is utterly childish, and smacks of the committee not wanting to be questioned. Rejecting the appeal and witholding a ban is one thing, but increasing it just smacks of petulance. Either that or the committee itself is admitting it got the original ban wrong.

The threat of increasing bans should not exist to put off clubs appealing. If they believe they have grounds they have every right to question the panel. If not it really is just a kangaroo court.

The number and duration of bans for minor offences is no doubt a cause of frustration at other clubs. In the NRL a few years back the criticism got to the point that they had to tear up the disciplinary committee and start afresh, as it was clear too many clubs had lost confidence in the system. I don't think we're there yet, but all it would take is a couple of clubs to push for change and the existing panel would be gone.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:54 am  

Thought 2 was a bit harsh but Newman was out of order and needs to learn. Appealing was only ever going to result in an extra game. I can't work out the reasoning. First step in starting to improve as a club has to come from learning to shut up, take responsibility for our actions on the pitch, take the ban on the chin and learn from it. We seem to carry our in-game frustrations on afterwards and these constant appeals just make us look petulant. It's no wonder our card's been marked. I'm not sure who the ex ref is we keep consulting about these decisions but perhaps we need to stop asking them. We were a bit hard done by. Tough. Suck it up and move on. We keep making a difficult season hard on ourselves by losing players for even longer than we ned to and we only have ourselves to blame for that.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 am  

christopher wrote:

FFS

Have we ever had a ban reduced. Stupid by the club and the player.

Im just about at the point where I want this season to be over now

Agree ridiculous appeal as our cards are well and truly marked.
However our game is being ruined by the incompetence of HQ.
Players and fans are becoming disillusioned and people will start to look at other sports for their entertainment. The gap with the NRL is now a chasm and with Australia opening up all our best players will be heading to Aus and Superleague might as well drop the ' Super ' title.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:50 am  

The worst thing about the Newman appeal is that it sends a message to Newman (and others) that the club back him, when he's obviously mouthed off at the ref and stepped over the mark.
That's not good - could end up where players will think they can do what they like and the club will back them.
The panel have said, no sorry, but it's not OK. Here's another game for a nonsense appeal.

As stupid as the whole system is, I actually think we've got what we deserved.

The way to deal with that situation was not to appeal.
Really poor by the club imo.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:46 am  

Loiner at large wrote:

Agree ridiculous appeal as our cards are well and truly marked.
However our game is being ruined by the incompetence of HQ.
Players and fans are becoming disillusioned and people will start to look at other sports for their entertainment. The gap with the NRL is now a chasm and with Australia opening up all our best players will be heading to Aus and Superleague might as well drop the ' Super ' title.

I'm not so bothered about HQ. They are a natural and easy target for grumpy fans and silly players. I am getting increasingly disillusioned with the weak leadership and culture of excuses which has taken hold at the club. We currently have Holroyd (punching), Muizz (throwing), Tet (attempted decapitation) and Newman (toddler tantrum) banned for multiple games. But don't worry, it's all the fault of the meanies at the disciplinary. The problem and the solution lies with the club.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:37 am  

Once were Loiners wrote:

Just on the appeal, its absolute nonsense that an appeal on fairly reasonable grounds should result in an increased ban. That is what's happened twice - Leeds haven't just gone in and stamped their feet, they've reviewed similar cases and thought the suspension was OTT. Assuming the appeal was made in a reasonable and reasoned manner, responding with an increase to the ban is utterly childish, and smacks of the committee not wanting to be questioned. Rejecting the appeal and witholding a ban is one thing, but increasing it just smacks of petulance. Either that or the committee itself is admitting it got the original ban wrong.

The threat of increasing bans should not exist to put off clubs appealing. If they believe they have grounds they have every right to question the panel. If not it really is just a kangaroo court.

The number and duration of bans for minor offences is no doubt a cause of frustration at other clubs. In the NRL a few years back the criticism got to the point that they had to tear up the disciplinary committee and start afresh, as it was clear too many clubs had lost confidence in the system. I don't think we're there yet, but all it would take is a couple of clubs to push for change and the existing panel would be gone.

Totally agree. Leeds appealed in a very professional and educated manner. It doesn't sit easy with me the increase of the ban. He deserved a ban, 1 game at most given his impeccable record and age. I think the RFL are damaging the game and it will turn fans away. Interesting to see Newman's dad's comments on FB... he said he feels so annoyed by the increase in ban if it was up to him Harry would go to Union or the NRL !!

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:58 am  

Trebor1 wrote:

Totally agree. Leeds appealed in a very professional and educated manner. It doesn't sit easy with me the increase of the ban. He deserved a ban, 1 game at most given his impeccable record and age. I think the RFL are damaging the game and it will turn fans away. Interesting to see Newman's dad's comments on FB... he said he feels so annoyed by the increase in ban if it was up to him Harry would go to Union or the NRL !!

Can't agree with that, although I tend to agree with most things you say. What Harry needs to do is get his head down, stay fit and improve his game in all aspects. He's played less than 30 games in three years. He certainly doesn't need anybody in his ear about the NRL or RU. It would be a terrible shame if he started to buy into the hype before he begins to achieve his potential. He needs some discipline not indulgence.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:51 am  

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Trebor1 wrote:

Totally agree. Leeds appealed in a very professional and educated manner. It doesn't sit easy with me the increase of the ban. He deserved a ban, 1 game at most given his impeccable record and age. I think the RFL are damaging the game and it will turn fans away. Interesting to see Newman's dad's comments on FB... he said he feels so annoyed by the increase in ban if it was up to him Harry would go to Union or the NRL !!

Can’t see Union or NRL clubs lining up just yet. Needs to stay injury free and provide consistent form . His dad is clearly not helping him here…!

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:27 am  

Trebor1 wrote:

Totally agree. Leeds appealed in a very professional and educated manner. It doesn't sit easy with me the increase of the ban. He deserved a ban, 1 game at most given his impeccable record and age. I think the RFL are damaging the game and it will turn fans away. Interesting to see Newman's dad's comments on FB... he said he feels so annoyed by the increase in ban if it was up to him Harry would go to Union or the NRL !!

I wonder where he gets his seeming inability to accept responsibiity for his actions from. Nice one dad.

If he thinks his son's performance wouldn't have led to a ban in Union or the NRL he is deluded. Genuinely, I haven't seen a player be so constantly OTT with a ref throughout a game for a long time - there are degrees of protesting with a ref and Newman was right at the wrong end of the scale IMO.

I genuinely couldn't believe it when Leeds appealed - it seemed a slam dunk extra match ban to me.