Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:10 pm  

christopher wrote:

I get the frustration but honestly, two games into the season with half a new team? In crap conditions. And we've won one of the games.

Fair comment.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:33 pm  

I dont think its the loss as much as seeing the same / similar issues as last year.
It feels familiar and that's frustrating.

In the big picture that game might not mean nothing, it will take time for the team to gel and we are super light ( not helped with poor balance in the pack), bad pitch etc.

Still, I'd have liked to see more structure,better kicking and to look like a team with a plan or one that can adjust to the conditions/ challenge of the game at the time.

Early days yet.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:10 pm  

Exactly, it is early days in this season.
And the 2 results we've had are irrelevant tbh.

But it's the performances that are still disappointing.
I don't see a plan, a structure, any cohesion or any identity.
Other teams just look better coached and organised than us.
RS has a lot of work to do on the coaching front.

If we finish outside the top 6, the excuse of "well, he's had to do a lot of rebuilding in the background" is just not acceptable.
Nonsense.
He's been backed and been allowed to bring in the players he wanted.
Time to deliver results now.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:35 pm  

leedsbarmyarmy wrote:

I dont understand how you could watch the interview and not see this

I don’t think you understand what the word facetious means. Watch the interview again, see what he says, listen to how he says it, and you will see he’s not being facetious. Obviously Christopher has superpowers that can see directly into people’s minds but even he’s malfunctioned on this one.
Come back to me when you’ve watched the full interview again, you will see the context in which it is said , and you will see it’s the same body language, facial expressions and intonation throughout the interview. At no point in the whole interview is he being facetious.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:36 pm  

If we finish outside the top six I think he should go aswell, and I say that as a fan of his.

I still think the ‘no structure’ thing is being overplayed a bit, it’s this years ‘passive defence’ from the fans

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:40 pm  

leeds owl wrote:

I don’t think you understand what the word facetious means. Watch the interview again, see what he says, listen to how he says it, and you will see he’s not being facetious. Obviously Christopher has superpowers that can see directly into people’s minds but even he’s malfunctioned on this one.
Come back to me when you’ve watched the full interview again, you will see the context in which it is said , and you will see it’s the same body language, facial expressions and intonation throughout the interview. At no point in the whole interview is he being facetious.

You are slso ‘mind reading’ with your interpretation.

The context of thr conversation was Jenna Brookes asking RS how Lisone played so well when only been cleared the Monday before, it wasn’t RS saying he doesn’t think players don’t need to train as you are trying yo make out.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:19 pm  

Just face it Christopher, Leeds Owl knows exactly the context it was said in and no one else possibly can.Maybe? he has exceptional insight into Rohans thought process.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:48 pm  

christopher wrote:

it wasn’t RS saying he doesn’t think players don’t need to train as you are trying yo make out.

Where did I say that ? I was referring to the phrase over rated, I never intimated Rohan Smith thinks players shouldn’t train at all. There’s a difference.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:56 pm  

Philbetter wrote:

Just face it Christopher, Leeds Owl knows exactly the context it was said in and no one else possibly can.Maybe? he has exceptional insight into Rohans thought process.

If Jenna Brookes had said to Rohan Smith last night, “That was a tough night for the young lad Edghill going in at short notice” and R.S replied “we gave him 30 minutes notice at least”, that is facetious. If he replied “he’s been with us since he was 10 years old, around the first team for a couple of years, he didn’t take much prepping”, that is not facetious.
Facetious definition; treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour.
Tell me what part of his post match Salford interview was facetious.

Re: RD 2 | Hull KR (A) : Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:17 pm  

I'm not sure how to read last night.

The situation at half-time was good, Donaldson's card aside. Leeds looked the better team for most of the first half despite the scoreline and I was confident we would come good.

In the second half, HKR came out strong and Leeds couldn't match it because we were a man down. When Donaldson came back we seemed to be edging ourselves back into the game, and the Handley try seemed to restore a sense we could win. Tails were up for a few minutes after that, but then the poor discipline kicked in and we became our own worst enemies.

I'm generally keen on Smith but have the following concerns:

1 - Did we learn anything from the equivalent fixture away at HKR last year when Olpherts and Hooley had a mare in the conditions and HKR ground out a win? More generally, does RS have the blueprint to win consistently in early season games when the weather is a huge leveller and we can't rely on skillful execution?

2 - Smith's reaction to the yellow cards was disappointing, in the sense of not taking responsibility. He has to accept that is the way the game is being officiated and it's his responsibility to drum this into the minds of the players. (Admittedly I didn't think the camera showed Lisone actually connecting with the head of Minchella but everyone else on Sky seemed certain of it so maybe it was just me).

3. I'm not sure the capitulation last night had so much to do with cohesion between the spine (we looked a bit more connected than against Salford), and the missing players. Individual and collective decision making, maybe played a role.

I had the sense against Salford that Leeds knew they would come out on top in the end, but the indiscipline and the conditions got the better of them against HKR.