Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:23 pm  

Seth wrote:

The clubs lost the plot with that appeal, bloody negligence.

Total idiocy. Happened twice now in the same season. The whole club seems incapable of learning from their mistakes.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:14 pm  

christopher wrote:

FFS

Have we ever had a ban reduced. Stupid by the club and the player.

Im just about at the point where I want this season to be over now

We have but it's a while ago.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:18 pm  

Surprised we did appeal even if he didn't swear at the ref he was still aggressive towards to him.I still think one game would have been about right but there was always a chance it would have been increased on appeal.So history shows would have been best to leave it.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:41 pm  

So we have taken advice from an ex ref and other ex senior players and decided to appeal clearly thinking we had a good case.
And surprise surprise it`s increased.
Who presented our case Tetavano!?
No way was that a 3 game ban.
How many games has the ref got for total incompetence?

[Frosties.]

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 pm  

Bodene Thompson - 2 match ban - return v Toulouse Olympique 16/07
Harry Newman - 3 match ban - return v Wigan Warriors 21/07
Muizz Mustapha - 5 match ban - return v Wigan Warriors 21/07
Zane Tetevano - 5 match ban - return v Hull KR 14/08
Tom Holroyd - 10 match ban - return v Warrington Wolves 19/08

Tom Briscoe - 2 weeks
Liam Tindall - 2 weeks

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:12 pm  

chapylad wrote:

So we have taken advice from an ex ref and other ex senior players and decided to appeal clearly thinking we had a good case.
And surprise surprise it`s increased.
Who presented our case Tetavano!?
No way was that a 3 game ban.
How many games has the ref got for total incompetence?

Totally agree. Sounds like we also reviewed other similar past cases before appealing
And Newman gets 3 games for in effect a first offence for being mouthy and not swearing which did not even get 10 minutes on the night.
Whereas Tetevano does a terrible late hit with shoulder to the head and a record like Norman Stanley Fletcher is lucky for mine to only get 5 games.

The game has enough issues, it does not need a disciplinary committee diminishing the standing of the sport in the eyes of the fans. With pressure on disposable income it’s a bad combination.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:46 pm  

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote:

The game has enough issues, it does not need a disciplinary committee diminishing the standing of the sport in the eyes of the fans. With pressure on disposable income it’s a bad combination.

Which it hasn’t done in the eyes of literally everyone outside of Leeds. The way Newman went on wasn’t credible, and belongs in football. The grounds of appeal seemed to be “but he’s passionate” like it’s some form of defence (Ben Flower was passionate too), and completely baffling at best.

2 games was fair (and yes I do think he should have been carded at the time, but hey that’s one that went Leeds’ way) and I would say the same if it were a Saints player.

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:57 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Which it hasn’t done in the eyes of literally everyone outside of Leeds. The way Newman went on wasn’t credible, and belongs in football. The grounds of appeal seemed to be “but he’s passionate” like it’s some form of defence (Ben Flower was passionate too), and completely baffling at best.

2 games was fair (and yes I do think he should have been carded at the time, but hey that’s one that went Leeds’ way) and I would say the same if it were a Saints player.

We don’t know what the grounds for defence were. I’m not saying he did no wrong but it’s first ban as far as I can recall and we keep seeing long bans when players were penalised in the game but either got no cards in the game or a yellow.

When the system can only deal with appeals by increasing bans it’s not fit for purpose IMO

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:05 pm  

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote:

We don’t know what the grounds for defence were. I’m not saying he did no wrong but it’s first ban as far as I can recall and we keep seeing long bans when players were penalised in the game but either got no cards in the game or a yellow.

When the system can only deal with appeals by increasing bans it’s not fit for purpose IMO

Hang on we can’t have it both ways. We as fans were complaining that Refs were too ready to deal with it in game by handing out cards left right and centre to the point clubs put pressure on the referees to change approach because it’s what the fans want, and now we’re chastising them for handling incidents outside of the game? You know the expression, you can’t have it both ways?

And the system doesn’t only deal with appeals by increasing bans. There have been plenty of examples where the initial ruling was upheld or even reduced. Leeds have had bans overturned over the last few years. But appealing for the sake of appealing, and wasting everyone’s time by presenting no new evidence is when bans get increased, which is what has happened here. And of course there needs to be some sort of deterrent, otherwise all clubs would appeal all bans and be a huge waste of time for everyone else because “why not might as well try your luck”

Re: 2022 | Injuries & Suspensions : Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:28 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Hang on we can’t have it both ways. We as fans were complaining that Refs were too ready to deal with it in game by handing out cards left right and centre to the point clubs put pressure on the referees to change approach because it’s what the fans want, and now we’re chastising them for handling incidents outside of the game? You know the expression, you can’t have it both ways?

And the system doesn’t only deal with appeals by increasing bans. There have been plenty of examples where the initial ruling was upheld or even reduced. Leeds have had bans overturned over the last few years. But appealing for the sake of appealing, and wasting everyone’s time by presenting no new evidence is when bans get increased, which is what has happened here. And of course there needs to be some sort of deterrent, otherwise all clubs would appeal all bans and be a huge waste of time for everyone else because “why not might as well try your luck”

I don’t want it both ways and don’t recognise your first paragraph. I want refs to deal with it on the pitch such as in the C Cup final when Smithies should have been carded twice but wasn’t.

Huddersfield lost out but Wigan’s next opponents gained.
Regardless, my view makes no difference either way.