Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:42 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

We have not been starter a hooker who can't defend in the middle for 15 years. Burrow only started at hooker during the 2012 season and we still went out and brought Lunt in.

We also had Sinfield who was used to defending in the middle as a 13 so he could comfortably make up Burrows tackling

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:44 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

The guy is on a different planet to the rest of the team. Makes us challenge for a place in the top 8 again. But he isn't Paul Daniels, we are a long way from challenging the top teams without further massive changes.

I think we'll be fine getting into the top 8 next year. With Segeyaro in and I think quite a lot of lessons learnt from this year we'll surely be a few wins better off after 23 Rounds in 12 months time.

Top 4 hard to say at the moment. Their hasn't been much transfer activity really. Wonder what coaches will keep their jobs (I think McDermott will). After losing last week to Widnes, just one look on the Wigan board shows a massive disapproval of Wane and if he doesn't win at Old Trafford they might be lining up under a different coach. Frayssinous might've taken Catalans as far as he could after he blew what looked like a certain playoff spot. IF HKR survive the Middle 8's then their appointment of Tim Sheens today is a pretty good move for that club. Hudds still have a squad capable of pushing for a top 4 if they can survive and bounce back from this season, but I'll have see more of them under Rick Stone before knowing what he can do for them there.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:49 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Thanks Printer. Didnt Aston miss a big chunk of the 2014 season. And which year did we go out and get Lunt?

Burrow is a great player, who still has a lot to offer a team. Just not really as a specialist hooker and certainly not one expected to play 80 minutes every week. Not just because of what he can't do, but because of what what he can't do does to the rest of the team.

Aiton missed about three months of the 2014 season with a mystery "illness", Burrow was out for most of the same period with a collarbone injury and Robbie Ward had several games for us.

Lunt was in 2012.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:29 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Yes, two sarcasms.

You must be trolling.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:00 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Thanks Printer. Didnt Aston miss a big chunk of the 2014 season. And which year did we go out and get Lunt?

Burrow is a great player, who still has a lot to offer a team. Just not really as a specialist hooker and certainly not one expected to play 80 minutes every week. Not just because of what he can't do, but because of what what he can't do does to the rest of the team.

but he is and has been for over a decade.

This isnt like Printer's circular argument that we can't be successful with Burrow at hooker that when we were successful with him at hooker we must have been less successful that we otherwise have been, you are outright denying something that actually happened.

Business end of last year, Rob Burrow as our main hooker, we won the treble,
2014, we won the challenge cup, Rob Burrow was the first choice hooker, starting in the CC final.
2013 Rob Burrow went to the world cup as an interchange hooker
2012 we won the grand final, Rob Burrow first choice hooker, England international interchange hooker

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:01 pm  

DHM wrote:

You must be trolling.

Perhaps you have mis-attributed the argument that big players couldnt tackle back to me?

Or you might be serious about arguing Cunningham was a noted speedster at hooker.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:02 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

We also had Sinfield who was used to defending in the middle as a 13 so he could comfortably make up Burrows tackling

Nope, such a thing is unpossible.

If we ignore all the times doing that has worked, it has never worked.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:21 pm  

Do you honestly believe we'd have been in the position to win the treble with Burrow at hooker every game last year? It's a simple question.

2014 we had Aiton. 2015 we had Aiton. 2012 we had Lunt. 2013 we went with Burrow and won naff all.

Burrow can play as an, interchange, he can even start, but he has to work alongside a 'proper' hooker, to suggest otherwise based purely on us limping home last year after being untouchable for a lot of the year (surprise surprise when Aiton was fit) is a bit daft imo.

Going into this season or any other with Burrow as your choice of hooker is a recipe for disaster.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:53 pm  

Most important thing for our prospects next year. All the top teams in sl have a top hooker. Houghton, Roby Clarke, wigan this year is probably the eception in that they are up there but 1st choice hooker has been injured most of the season.

I think Mcdermott will get next year to put things back on track. If we are poor next season, GH will bring in a new coach, guaranteed.

People will debate this season to death, Mcdermott, injuries, success was down to peacock and sinfield but when all is said, if we go with what we currently have but make a decent signing at halfback then will be up there again.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:25 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Do you honestly believe we'd have been in the position to win the treble with Burrow at hooker every game last year? It's a simple question.

yes. We were in the position to win the treble, and in fact did win the treble with Burrow playing the majority of games at hooker.

Ill question the alternative, why do you think that a journeyman hooker like Paul Aiton, that couldnt really make it in the NRL, didnt stand out at Wakefield, looked decidedly average in 2014, hasnbeen pretty poor this year, suddenly became world class and absolutely integral to a side that had been hugely successful without him previously and continued to be successful when he was injured?

2014 we had Aiton. 2015 we had Aiton. 2012 we had Lunt. 2013 we went with Burrow and won naff all.

Burrow can play as an, interchange, he can even start, but he has to work alongside a 'proper' hooker, to suggest otherwise based purely on us limping home last year after being untouchable for a lot of the year (surprise surprise when Aiton was fit) is a bit daft imo.

Going into this season or any other with Burrow as your choice of hooker is a recipe for disaster.

We didnt limp home. We beat the best other three sides in SL in succession. We beat the 2nd best side in SL twice (a team that beat us twice WITH Aiton) within 6 weeks.

In what world, other than this imaginary one which we are creating purely for the purpose of doing down a leeds legend, is this
14 Aug 2015 20:00 Super League Leeds Rhinos 25 - 18 Wigan Warriors
21 Aug 2015 20:00 Super League Hull FC 22 - 36 Leeds Rhinos
29 Aug 2015 15:15 Challenge Cup Hull KR 0 - 50 Leeds Rhinos
25 Sep 2015 20:00 Super League Huddersfield Giants 16 - 20 Leeds Rhinos
02 Oct 2015 20:00 Super League Leeds Rhinos 20 - 13 St Helens
10 Oct 2015 18:00 Super League Leeds Rhinos 22 - 20 Wigan Warriors

anything other than absolutely fantastic form? What year, whether we had Buderus, Diskin, Lunt, Millard,Lunt, or Aiton or a frankenhooker of all of them would we look at that as anything other than an absolutely wonderful run? When have we been so good that a win against Wigan is a given, twice? when has a knockout game against St Helens been a game we would limp to a 7 point victory in? How long has it been since we could guarantee a win against Hudds?

Perhaps, rather than seeing Leeds as under-performing because of Burrow and being rescued by players like Lunt and Aiton, maybe, just maybe, it was the players who have done next to nothing outside of a very short time at a leeds side that was hugely successful without them that were being carried and not the 7 time grand final winning, 2 time harry sunderland award winning, 3 time lls winning, 3 time wcc winning, 2 time challenge cup winning England international.