Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:41 pm  

Just trying to get my head around this issue.
So Zak comes back and assumes he can walk back into the team.
If we want him back the only issue is the salary cap if we have committed elsewhere, on the assumption he has gone.
If, as I would imagine, we do not want his disruptive presence around, I guess that would be very expensive. Presumably we would have to pay him his basic contractual remuneration even though we did not register him as a player.
I gather his father has gone out with him to Aus to keep an eye on / mentor him. Perhaps this arrangement should continue if he returns.
I am just so appalled at the waste of a very talented rugby player who, with a little more application, could have been even better.
Perhaps the best solution is for Leeds to write off the transfer fee and hope he finds something in Aus and more importantly someone who can impress on him how to be professional.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:31 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

And also probably spells the end of Ashton Golding's Leeds career.

As said by others I think he's too small/lightweight for full back. Depends if he can make the transition to half back.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:34 pm  

Fred_Pickup wrote:

Just trying to get my head around this issue.
So Zak comes back and assumes he can walk back into the team.
If we want him back the only issue is the salary cap if we have committed elsewhere, on the assumption he has gone.
If, as I would imagine, we do not want his disruptive presence around, I guess that would be very expensive. Presumably we would have to pay him his basic contractual remuneration even though we did not register him as a player.
I gather his father has gone out with him to Aus to keep an eye on / mentor him. Perhaps this arrangement should continue if he returns.
I am just so appalled at the waste of a very talented rugby player who, with a little more application, could have been even better.
Perhaps the best solution is for Leeds to write off the transfer fee and hope he finds something in Aus and more importantly someone who can impress on him how to be professional.

"Someone who can impress on him how to be professional"......the guy has had some of the best possible teammates you could ask for in that regards with Sinfield, Peacock, JJB etc. He's had multiple c*ck ups to learn from and we still hear the yearly Hardaker drama.....if he hasn't learnt now I don't hold out much hope that he ever will.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:37 pm  

Perhaps Zak will comeback home without an NRL club wanting his services and also realising that the grass isn't always greener elsewhere?
If Zak doesn't get offered an NRL contract this year then he's going to have to eat humble pie and look for the place he wants to ply his trade in SL for because I can't see the NRL clubs coming back for him

I would accept Zak back at the club but with serious implications for him monetary wise should he step out of line

Lets hope that he has done some serious thinking and growing up whilst he's been in Oz and comes back in the 2015 frame of mind ready to knuckle down

Golding will leave the club IMO as he simply isn't big enough or good enough for SL at present and that is why he is playing for Featherstone Rovers and hopefully giving him a pathway to the next stage of his career

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:41 pm  

Baffled why people keep saying Golding to HB? Can he kick, can he pass, can he organise, can he lead?

Are we pretty much saying lets put him there because he can run in a wirey, lightweight way?.....Because if that's the sole reason (and I can't see any other) then that's not enough for a SL club especially one hoping to get back to challenging for trophies next year.

Kind of daft reasoning that sees the likes of a Golding type player usually get picked before a Lilley type player who has no real speed at HB.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:51 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Baffled why people keep saying Golding to HB? Can he kick, can he pass, can he organise, can he lead?

Are we pretty much saying lets put him there because he can run in a wirey, lightweight way?.....Because if that's the sole reason (and I can't see any other) then that's not enough for a SL club especially one hoping to get back to challenging for trophies next year.

Kind of daft reasoning that sees the likes of a Golding type player usually get picked before a Lilley type player who has no real speed at HB.

I would be retaining Lilley rather than Golding without a doubt as he has some rich potential
Golding looks championship material at present to me IMO

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:10 pm  

Hardaker is well overrated and enjoyed a couple of purple seasons in a good Leeds side where his rugby limitations were to a large extent hidden. His game is all based on physique be it tackling or tackle busts. IMO he never showed he had a rugby brain particularly on attack where he seemed forget it is a team game. His lack of passing skills and space awareness will have been quickly spotted in the NRL where his character and attitude will be tested too.

He has to take responsibility for his own lack of success as he had everything going for him at Leeds and this season had a great chance to step up to the mark and show leadership. But he showed a complete lack of interest this year and gave the impression of sulking and lack of concentration. At a time when we needed him most he let the team and supporters down and appeared more concerned with his off field stuff. I hope he makes it as it would be a retrograde step to allow him back.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:21 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Hardaker is well overrated and enjoyed a couple of purple seasons in a good Leeds side where his rugby limitations were to a large extent hidden. His game is all based on physique be it tackling or tackle busts. IMO he never showed he had a rugby brain particularly on attack where he seemed forget it is a team game. His lack of passing skills and space awareness will have been quickly spotted in the NRL where his character and attitude will be tested too.

He has to take responsibility for his own lack of success as he had everything going for him at Leeds and this season had a great chance to step up to the mark and show leadership. But he showed a complete lack of interest this year and gave the impression of sulking and lack of concentration. At a time when we needed him most he let the team and supporters down and appeared more concerned with his off field stuff. I hope he makes it as it would be a retrograde step to allow him back.

He has a great rugby brain in defence TBF. You can't put some of his great stops down to just being physical. Putting the attacker in two minds and not making it easy for them showed a smart rugby brain in that department (his post match touch screen last year with Wells was an insight into this) and his positioning for long field kicks made it so much harder for the opposition kicker and team to pin us down nearer our line (he was usually 2/3 steps ahead of most FB's when setting off for a long kick downfield to the corner), however like you said the attacking aspect just became frustrating as you'd think he'd learn over time but hasn't seemed to at all.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:39 pm  

Hetherington holds the aces again. When will these players learn? A list as long as your arm right back to Calderwood that thought the grass was greener. GH has done all he can for Zak, yet the ego of steel walks out on a long term contract when the going got tough. Remember that Leeds still hold his registration. No NRL club will pay £300k for a bench warmer. And which SL clubs are looking for a FB? Wigan, Saints, Hull, Wire, Catalan? All no. For me, Sutcliffe deserves a shot at full back. Sod Zak.

Re: Hardaker benched for 80 mins today : Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:51 pm  

How has he suddenly become to small to play at FB. He looks much if the same build as a Moylan, Slater and Tedesco and bigger than say Barba