Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:24 pm  

[quote="Andy Gilder"]Clearly 3 Grand Final wins that the management believe didn't have a great deal to do with the input of either, given they have been shown the door...[/quote]

I think Poaching and Cummings leaving has more to do with keeping training fresh rather than them not being deemed influential. The playing personnel can’t change every few years so the coaching staff needs to otherwise things can get stale. There’s only a certain amount of training techniques they can know so some variance from different coaches can’t help IMO to keep training interesting. Look at Fergie at Man u he might have been there 20 odd years but his staff are constantly changing, doesn't mean they weren’t influential just means they need to keep evolving otherwise you plateau.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:28 pm  

benduke15 wrote:

We do have some replacements coming through the youth system for some of those players:
Webb --- Jones Bishop
Senior --- Watkins
Buderus --- McShane/Hood
Peacock --- Amor??
Lauatiiti --- Pitts??
With the likes of Hardaker, Ambler, Stewart, Singleton, Casey, Burgess (if he stays), Ablett, Clarkson all coming through or out of the 17.
But it will be a tough ride for him.

So we are fairly covered in the youth system.

Amor for Peacock?????

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:30 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

Burrow is contracted up to 2013

Since when does a signature on a contract mean anything these days?

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:37 pm  

rhinoholic wrote:

Since when does a signature on a contract mean anything these days?

Greg Eastwood.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:58 pm  

Is funny. People are banging on how its the end of Leeds because a few folk have left. So lets look at it:

Donald - offered a job out of rugby he couldnt refuse, so took it
Diskin - still second fiddle behind Buderus, with two good youngsters snapping at his heals. He has a one year contract and offered a 3 year one by another club, took it. lets be honest, i dont think Leeds considered keeping him on after 2011, would have been time to give McShane a try.
Bluey - Was always leaving at the end of 2011, has decided to go sooner. Watch this space, expect him to pop up in a good job in the NRL.
McDermott - When he left as assistant coach a while back the rest of the team were absolutely gutted. They stated that his pre season training and mid season training was amazing. And think about it, when he was with us I don't recall us having loads of injuries like we have had in 2010.

That's my view on it all. Other club fans would say its a melt down, but I think that's wishful thinking on their behalf. We are a club in transition with a lot of aging players form the golden years. Instead of having to do one big over haul in the space of a few years, we are padding it out over maybe 4 to 5 seasons. I think that's a team that's decided to be logical.

As for McDermott as head coach. Hmm not sure. He didn't exactly set the world alight at the Quins. But he now has the control of a hungry team. A team that love working under him and a team that never wanted to see him leave back in the TS days. Maybe just having him in the hot seat will make the team play out of their skin. if not and we have a poor season, then it sounds cynical but replace him. But lets support him throughout 2011 and make a verdict at the end. You never know, Graham Murray might pop up out of the blue as his assistant coach

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:02 pm  

bewildered wrote:

Is funny. People are banging on how its the end of Leeds because a few folk have left. So lets look at it:

Donald - offered a job out of rugby he couldnt refuse, so took it
Diskin - still second fiddle behind Buderus, with two good youngsters snapping at his heals. He has a one year contract and offered a 3 year one by another club, took it. lets be honest, i dont think Leeds considered keeping him on after 2011, would have been time to give McShane a try.
Bluey - Was always leaving at the end of 2011, has decided to go sooner. Watch this space, expect him to pop up in a good job in the NRL.
McDermott - When he left as assistant coach a while back the rest of the team were absolutely gutted. They stated that his pre season training and mid season training was amazing. And think about it, when he was with us I don't recall us having loads of injuries like we have had in 2010.

That's my view on it all. Other club fans would say its a melt down, but I think that's wishful thinking on their behalf. We are a club in transition with a lot of aging players form the golden years. Instead of having to do one big over haul in the space of a few years, we are padding it out over maybe 4 to 5 seasons. I think that's a team that's decided to be logical.

As for McDermott as head coach. Hmm not sure. He didn't exactly set the world alight at the Quins. But he now has the control of a hungry team. A team that love working under him and a team that never wanted to see him leave back in the TS days. Maybe just having him in the hot seat will make the team play out of their skin. if not and we have a poor season, then it sounds cynical but replace him. But lets support him throughout 2011 and make a verdict at the end. You never know, Graham Murray might pop up out of the blue as his assistant coach

Or brain noble???? and daniel Anderson

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:08 pm  

I'd love Noble as a number two, I think he has a good rugby brain but he'll never coach at Leeds as 1. he hates us and 2. what he allegedly said to Peacock when he left bradford.


However, I do think we need to be wise about what assistant we take on. McDermott has great defence coaching instilled into him but i worry about his attack coaching. Maybe we need to look at someone who has great attacking skills coaching as i think this season we have lacked that in buckets, then again in some cases we were crap in defence too.


I do think having a fresh start will change the team though. We thought it was doom and gloom when Smith left, yet we went on stronger with, lets not forget it a coach who at the time hadn't coached a top flight league team ever in his career

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:13 pm  

It not a complete Bradford bulls meltdown, we haven't lost any players we particulary needed as yet and they are building gradually,

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:16 pm  

bewildered wrote:

Is funny. People are banging on how its the end of Leeds because a few folk have left. So lets look at it:

Donald - offered a job out of rugby he couldnt refuse, so took it
Diskin - still second fiddle behind Buderus, with two good youngsters snapping at his heals. He has a one year contract and offered a 3 year one by another club, took it. lets be honest, i dont think Leeds considered keeping him on after 2011, would have been time to give McShane a try.
Bluey - Was always leaving at the end of 2011, has decided to go sooner. Watch this space, expect him to pop up in a good job in the NRL.
McDermott - When he left as assistant coach a while back the rest of the team were absolutely gutted. They stated that his pre season training and mid season training was amazing. And think about it, when he was with us I don't recall us having loads of injuries like we have had in 2010.

Franny - ?
Willie - ?
Alex Gross - ?
Eastwood - ?

Whilst I do agree that there seems to be a perfectly reasonable explanation for them all individually, you can't deny with Bluey joining the list it does look increasingly less coincidental.

IF Burrow were to go (and I seriously doubt he will), but IF Burrow were to go you'd be able to rationalise that too, it would look incredibly suspicious though.

What you're also forgetting is that half way through the season we signed everybody that was out of contract. I can't remember which came first between Franny & Willie or Eastwood, but the day before which ever announcement came first we weren't losing a single member of staff for 2011.

And in reality, whether each has it's own perfectly justified explanation or not, we've lost 4 coaches, and 3 players!

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:21 pm  

Franny - The idea was to use Bluey and McDermott, so it was forward planning that has now backfired, too many cooks and all that
Willie - As above
Alex Gross - As above
Eastwood - Wanted to be back in the NRL. Was a mistake letting him to to the Bulldogs last year. He wanted to come to Leeds when he wasnt a regular at Brisbane. Went to the Dogs and he was a first team player and loved it there. I knew we were to have trouble the moment I read an interview with him while at the Dogs stating that he was going to be gutted when he went on to Leeds