Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:43 am  

After watching again with a little less passion running through my veins and a little more analytical.
Walters incident was a penalty but refs view I understand why not, one we got away with. On the whole Kendall was Kendall and a few bad decisions both ways. Hurell a red without doubt.
First half we were responsible for 4 out of 5 tries, cut that out and we may become a team to reckon with. Defence is far too flimsy right now but fixable. Sangare good going forward, naive in defence. Hard to say about Leeming, never got the chance to show what we would have been like with him at DH. Sezer a different player this week. Was just saying half way through the first half that we needed Martin to show some form and that was one of the major differences when he started to play well.

Don’t know why Saints got so rattled, I guess emotions got the better of them, been a long few weeks. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and they will probably be the standard to achieve, however this is where we get to see how good Wellens is going to be

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:36 am  

The bawling on RedVee is as good as the result. Apparently Myler is a grub for milking getting hit in the head with Hurrell's shoulder! The post from someone who "talked to a Leeds fan" who backed up every moan they had throughout the game is hilarious! Of course you did son, of course you did! I spoke to a Saints fan who said we were by far the better team, that Welsby is a man-child, Hurrell should be banned for 10 games and Jon Wilkin is an embarrassment to commentating!

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:54 am  

LeedsLurch wrote:

After watching again with a little less passion running through my veins and a little more analytical.
Walters incident was a penalty but refs view I understand why not, one we got away with. On the whole Kendall was Kendall and a few bad decisions both ways. Hurell a red without doubt.
First half we were responsible for 4 out of 5 tries, cut that out and we may become a team to reckon with. Defence is far too flimsy right now but fixable. Sangare good going forward, naive in defence. Hard to say about Leeming, never got the chance to show what we would have been like with him at DH. Sezer a different player this week. Was just saying half way through the first half that we needed Martin to show some form and that was one of the major differences when he started to play well.

Don’t know why Saints got so rattled, I guess emotions got the better of them, been a long few weeks. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and they will probably be the standard to achieve, however this is where we get to see how good Wellens is going to be

Spot on.
The interesting comments about Sezer is whether he plays better with O'Connor at 9. I guess we'll see in the coming weeks.

I know it's been a tough few weeks for Saints, but some cracks on Friday night.
I really do think Wire will run them close this year. Their pack is definitely a match.
As much as I'd like Wire to go another 70 years without winning the top prize, it would be better for the game than Saints 5 in a row.

The most important thing for us now is that we back it up with a good win against Wakey.
Very different pressure when we're expected to win.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:03 am  

ryano wrote:

The bawling on RedVee is as good as the result. Apparently Myler is a grub for milking getting hit in the head with Hurrell's shoulder! The post from someone who "talked to a Leeds fan" who backed up every moan they had throughout the game is hilarious! Of course you did son, of course you did! I spoke to a Saints fan who said we were by far the better team, that Welsby is a man-child, Hurrell should be banned for 10 games and Jon Wilkin is an embarrassment to commentating!

I watched that this morning, absolute gold.

My favourite bit was ‘Kendall has to be stood down next week'.

As a previous poster said, Leeds got absolutely nothing until the 50/50 Walters call, and deserved a bit of luck.
I’ve been in a bit of a sulk over the professional game for quite some time, but, and call me fickle, the late drama on Friday night reignited a bit of love for it.

All in all, it seems that they didn’t like the fact that we had the audacity to go there and turn them over.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:57 am  

Some of the Saints fans are behaving like Wigan used to.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:35 am  

The lads on the redvee segment just embarrassed themselves. All they needed were tin foil hats and the lunacy would be complete. Kendall got a few decisions wrong but both sinbins and the red were entirely warranted. Its not just 'bad discipline' they were all dirty play, and Hurrell's was pretty bad. Not as bad as Tet's last year, but a definite send off and suspension to follow.

I did think and still think Walters' was a bit of a shoulder but it at least wasn't high. Macdonald's pulling on Percival's head as he scored wasn't great either, although you could argue he wasn't exactly sure what was going on by that point.

I thought Kendall reffed OK to be honest. He communicated well with players all night and I thought he was very clear about what he'd do if players ran in, and then followed through.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:40 am  

If Welsby hadn't have run in it was play on, Saints ball 20 yards from our line with a full set.
Maybe criticise Welsby ahead of the ref

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:44 am  

The saints fans and players meltdown has been absolutely glorious

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:41 pm  

I went to the game on Friday night but was sitting in the main stand with a few mates who were saints fans.

Overall I thought saints looks tired, we looked like we had a more clear game plan and we executed reasonably well. I thought generally we looked more dangerous than they did, it seemed fairly even in terms of the grunt up front, they didn’t have the normal bench impact due to players being out.

On the cards I called them all when I saw them live and on video I think exactly the same. Inside pressure is one thing, hitting ball players when they have passed the ball is another. The Hurrell card is just a straight red. The talk of myler faking it or dipping into the tackle is embarrassing. On Walters I thought that probably was a shoulder charge, it wasn’t high and if they had got a penalty for the challenge I would have said fair enough. Welsby and saints ran in and had that kind of behaviour all night. They are not gracious in defeat, they don’t like it when they struggle to overpower you and they didn’t like that Leeds were bang up for it and didn’t mind giving a few big hits back.

If we can fix our defence up a bit that would be good. The lussick push over was soft. The Dodd score from the drop in as all our own doing. Dodd step and over was again something you think you could fix up and stop. That’s 18 points and in those high end games we need to minimise or stop those easy points for the other side.

I liked Walters and sangare from the bench, real impact! I think McDonnell was good and probably an all round better bench option that Donaldson. Nene has real strike and when Newman gets back if we can keep them fit we will have strike both sides.

One thing I don’t get it the anger towards Leeds from the saints fans. Leeds didn’t make Saints have bad discipline, the Walters tackle was probably a pen but wasn’t high and I don’t really think you could talk about it as a card. I was being told they didn’t care as it’s March but on the other hand they looked beyond angry and upset they lost. Just a bit strange all round.

I would hope we continue to build and do not drop away next week. As players come back we should hopefully get more competition and if players don’t play well somebody comes in and gets a chance.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:05 pm  

Excellent post ^