Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:07 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Wigan and Saints are bang average, I am not dissagreeing. I am dissagreeing that we are anything close to that, we are not, we are right at the bottom of the cess pool, well at least until Segayaro took us slightly up.

I agree on the half, and would be adamant there is no probable about it on the coaching changes. That is what I refer to as massive, he simply has to go, or nothing changes. We also need to cut some players loose, freshen up, and install a new ethos in the team.

The playing squad isn't that bad at all. It is a coaching issue more than anything for me and i think Mac has gone as far as he can, yet he will obviously get next season to put it right and barring a raft of early injuries to key players again, i can see us being up in the top few. I believe if we had managed to stay close to the four like Saints have we were more than capable of a late run ourselves with the addition of Segeyaro. not because we are a special team, but because non of the other top teams are anything to worry about.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:19 am  

Clearwing wrote:

Given the right players McDermott has proved capable of winning many trophies. This is an unarguable fact. So how come you're so certain that there'll be no improvement if we freshen up the squad with quality in areas in which we are currently lacking?

Because I do not agree that their is an unarguable fact. What is probable though IMO is that without Sinfield and Peacock, McDermott would never have had anyone coming out with such a statement. The guy is finished.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:01 am  

Would anyone take Sam Williams from Canberra? He's out of contract, decent organiser and is only 25.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:12 am  

Gotcha wrote:

The guy is on a different planet to the rest of the team. Makes us challenge for a place in the top 8 again. But he isn't Paul Daniels, we are a long way from challenging the top teams without further massive changes.

A decent scrum half & you will be up there with Wire & Hull as the best squads in SL.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:25 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Because I do not agree that their is an unarguable fact. What is probable though IMO is that without Sinfield and Peacock, McDermott would never have had anyone coming out with such a statement. The guy is finished.

It's an unarguable fact whether you like it or not. Has McDermott won a bunch trophies when presented with a quality squad. Yes or no?

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:33 am  

DHM wrote:

Are you being sarcastic about your previous sarcasm now? I suggest you find an experienced fisherman to untangle the massive knots you've tied yourself up in.

Yes, two sarcasms. I mean, unless you were been serious about Keiron Cunningham being noted for his speed?

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:34 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Dunno. Its just fun watching people try to defend Burrow as a hooker. Which he isn't.

Except for all the times he is.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:42 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yet throughout RL every team defends the same which is

FB
RW - SO/SH - RC - RSR - LF/P/P/H - LSR - LC - SO/SH - LW

Except Leeds' backup emergency plan which you're trying to convince people is the exolution of the hooker role, even though no one else does it, not even Leeds when their proper hooker is fit and available. Just because they aren't written down in a rule book for you doesn't mean they don't exist throughout the game.

Every team doesnt defend the same. Every team doesnt defend one tackle the same as the next tackle. Our game is fluid, and you know real.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:43 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Except for all the times he is.

Smokey I suggest you watch the Nrl finals this weekend, and let me know when you see a team contending for the top prize in the best league in the world using a 'hooker' who defends one in from the wing, and is at best average at distributing the ball from dummy half.

But wait, you won't see that happen, because no one apart from Leeds do it, and only Leeds do it as a last resort or for 20mins impact.

As for Cunninghams speed, if you are talking about defense, speed is perhaps the wrong word, Cunninghams and all good hookers bring energy and lateral movement to the middle third of the pitch. You don't have to be fast to do that. In fact 3 of the best examples in the British game (Cunningham, Mickey Mac, Newton) have all been on the bigger side. But guys like buderus and Roby show it can be done by the prototype hooker aswell.

Re: Segayaro : Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:51 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Every team doesnt defend the same. Every team doesnt defend one tackle the same as the next tackle. Our game is fluid, and you know real.

Nope they do line up like that, with some slight variation on whether your half stands inside or outside the centre, and how much free reign your 13 gets.

It's why we see certain players targeted in defence, and why players work chuffing hard to get back to where they need to be. Yes players make sure they number up, but roughly they stay in the same place.

To use some of the ape Wanes terminology, you have edge defenders (wing centre halves). And middle defenders (props, hooker 13) with the 11 and 12 kind of linking the two together and protecting the halves.