Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 11:35 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

They made conflicting decisions, either one of them doesn’t understand the game, or there isn’t a hard and fast ‘obstruction’ like there isn’t a hard and fast slowing the ptb, and it is down to the referees opinion.

Too simplistic to suggest there was a conflict of opinion given the differing levels of information offered up to each.

One ruled play on initially with an imperfect view at speed and in live play but still suspected there may have been an issue - why else did he refer it upstairs?

The other with the benefit of technology made the correct ruling in line with current interpretations.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 2:57 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Too simplistic to suggest there was a conflict of opinion given the differing levels of information offered up to each.

One ruled play on initially with an imperfect view at speed and in live play but still suspected there may have been an issue - why else did he refer it upstairs?

The other with the benefit of technology made the correct ruling in line with current interpretations.

Stop talking sense, it's not what forums are for.

The exact same reasoning was used for the Sam Powell no try.
Both decisions were correct.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 3:05 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Stop talking sense, it's not what forums are for.

The exact same reasoning was used for the Sam Powell no try.
Both decisions were correct.

They were different. Crosby obstructs and makes contact with the defender, where as the Leeds player didn't really 'obstruct' anybody.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 6:44 pm  

Clear obstruction which was missed by the on field ref...

So many threads about these instances in all other games on the Leeds board, its a wonder you have time to discuss anything else... Good to see you are concerned about the state of refereeing in SL...

Or is it just when it affects Leeds...

Toodle pip..

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 6:53 pm  

not really, its called debate. some for it, some against it. on your board 1 page and its locked and people banned

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 7:01 pm  

i love a smug wigan fan,and god knows there's plenty of them too
it's funny that they have to go back to their good old days when they actually bought their trophies in order to combat our sl superiority

i also love the fact that they hate being in our back pockets during the sl era and thus deem a 2 league points on the league table victory as a major success

2 very evenly matched sides imo and i wouldn't fear meeting them again in the play off series

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 7:23 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

not really, its called debate. some for it, some against it. on your board 1 page and its locked and people banned

the sad thing is that is true

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Thu May 30, 2013 10:43 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

It was interesting listening to Stuart Cummings during the match.
When the incident went to the VR Cummings explained the wording of the rules and called no try before it came on the screen.
Hansen couldn't attempt a tackle on McGuire as Clarkson was between him and the ball carrier and preventing him. That's obstruction.

I can only assume you haven't read the rules, which state that a player can legally run through a ruck of team-mates if they are stationary.
Clarkson was stationary, the play moved past him rather than him past the play.
Hansen tracked McGuire perfectly well ..... Tony Smith thought so too on the Super League show.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Fri May 31, 2013 9:39 am  

There are rules and there are current interpretations of the rules. Stuart Cummings explained why the 'McGuire Try' should not be allowed and Ian Smith (I presume without hearing Cummings comments) made a consistent ruling within the current interpretation as expressed on the Sky commentary.

I imagine it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that at the PTB you only need make an attempt with the foot rather than making actual contact but we all know that's all the referees are concerned with these days. IMO players should be made to play the ball correctly and penalised when they don't but for some reason that particular skill has been sacrificed.

If there's a view in the game that the play the ball area needs clearing up - requiring players to play the ball correctly (with the foot - not the roll or the step-over) would be a good place to start.

Sorry for the diversion.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Fri May 31, 2013 10:00 am  

tvoc wrote:

There are rules and there are current interpretations of the rules. Stuart Cummings explained why the 'McGuire Try' should not be allowed and Ian Smith (I presume without hearing Cummings comments) made a consistent ruling within the current interpretation as expressed on the Sky commentary.

I imagine it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that at the PTB you only need make an attempt with the foot rather than making actual contact but we all know that's all the referees are concerned with these days. IMO players should be made to play the ball correctly and penalised when they don't but for some reason that particular skill has been sacrificed.

If there's a view in the game that the play the ball area needs clearing up - requiring players to play the ball correctly (with the foot - not the roll or the step-over) would be a good place to start.

Sorry for the diversion.

No need to be sorry. You're entitled to do so I'm sure. There are no moderation rules here open to mere interpretation.

In principle I agree with you, but in all honesty we would be then faced with another resulting slowing up of the game. Until there is consistency with the lying on and wrestling where every player knows they will be penalised we are faced with the counteracting hopeless inconsistent play the balls in an effort to balance things out.
Reffing and its inconsistencies is a major problem within our game and I'm not sure it will ever be resolved.

Back to the original debate about McGuire's no try....why did Silverwood not blow up straight away? He was obviously going to let it go not anticipating it would actually result in a try. His doubt caused him to go to the VR who did the arguably correct thing.
However, without a VR the try would have stood.....THIS is surely another valid point (as pertinent a point as Tomkins tackling McGuire been 'play on' I'm sure). Skill in beating the last man was in effect penalised.

IMO the VR should only be used for the likes of Watkin's try and possible obstruction in the final 20 ....or offside of course

I'm not even sure a try should be disallowed for such a techicality as perfect grounding after the immense skill shown by the Watkin's try; when in real time it had thoroughly deserved the benefit of any miniscule doubt. Skill this time was thankfully rewarded

No more VR would suit me just fine.