Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:32 am  

christopher wrote:

Just to add, i was never in the give Austin what he wants camp and im even less in it now

If it’s possible to replace him and Sezer id be doing it, you know me im not doom and gloom but I do think we need to sort the halfback situation out

Isn't the view at Leeds to go with Austin and Myler - go figure!!

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:44 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Isn't the view at Leeds to go with Austin and Myler - go figure!!

And yet Myler has failed time and time again at half back , but some at the club it seems just do not see it

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:46 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Isn't the view at Leeds to go with Austin and Myler - go figure!!

Is that the view tho? Smith has spoken about strengthening the spine of the team and we keep getting linked with half backs

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:47 am  

Until Leeds sort out the top end of their salary cap they are going nowhere fast.

Sezer, Fusitua, Tetavano, Bentley, Austin, Myler - just not top class players.

Letting Walters go is madness.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:50 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I am interested to understand why you hold that view - I don't see any marked improvement in the younger players. I see the opposite. Which young players do you think have made huge progress under this coaching team?

I think the following have actually regressed - Handley, Oldeski, Smith. O'Connor and Johnson have plateaued. Walters and Holroyd have improved but one of them is leaving.

This is a complete knee jerk,

Handley has improved since the Agar days, finishes better and good in yardage.

Oledski isn’t hitting the heights of last season, smith wasn’t good last night but he’s often too tackler and has had a lot of good games this season, he was terrible last season under Agar, especially his discipline.

O’Connor has improved loads, not great last night.

Holdroyd Walters and Gannon have improved loads

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:55 am  

christopher wrote:

I don’t thi k out pack is the issue at all. Imo its the halfbacks.

Given the pack are at full strength and still not able to get over a very weakened St's pack I'd suggest that is a problem.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:59 am  

We are a deeply flawed team led by a deeply flawed coach. Potentially a great player in the making is moving to one of our main rivals. Some of our so called main strike players are aging. Unless things change dramatically we will be in the same position next season. Perhaps we should play for a false dawn trophy with Hull.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:01 am  

leedsbarmyarmy wrote:

This is a complete knee jerk,

Handley has improved since the Agar days, finishes better and good in yardage.

Oledski isn’t hitting the heights of last season, smith wasn’t good last night but he’s often too tackler and has had a lot of good games this season, he was terrible last season under Agar, especially his discipline.

O’Connor has improved loads, not great last night.

Holdroyd Walters and Gannon have improved loads

How can you say Gannon has improved loads - when did he last play? I mentioned both Holdroyd and Walters - one of which is leaving.

We must agree to differ on O'Connor I think he has reached his level - perhaps why Leeds are being linked with Levi.

Smith might be a tackling machine but that is only half the game the other half he consistently stifles the moves because he is too slow mentally to spot the opportunities

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:03 am  

ploinerrhino wrote:

And yet Myler has failed time and time again at half back , but some at the club it seems just do not see it

He needs to be protected given his personal life!!

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:11 am  

Another thing I think we need to sort out is our ruck discipline. When we are slowed down our players are responding by trying to milk penalties. This gives you a penalty maybe one in ten times - but it guarantees a slower PTB the other nine.

The amount of times we’re goofing the ball around the field side to side with the receiving player standing still.. we are too static and fail to get momentum established.