Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 12:08 pm  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

There is truth in that. I actually thought we were very poor tonight. Only area of our game I was happy with was goal line defence. However, playing the referee is a part of the game in itself. You try to get away with as much as you can. If you put hands on the ball and get away with it then you keep doing that.

Infact it cost alot so unsure why they have an issue. The only time we managed to get out of our half we piggy them back up with a stupid penalty. It has to hurt that 9/10 of the teams in SL would have beaten us last night, luckily for us we came up against one that is very badly coached.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 12:58 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Problem is Tom Briscoe and both 9s was given new deals recently.

Quite bizarre that isn't it. I do actually think there's a good player in Leeming but it needs a better coach to get it out.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 2:24 pm  

Marty makes some good points in what he is saying.
For me that backline for next week should be:
Myler
Broadbent
Sutcliffe A
Sutcliffe L
Handley
Gale
O`Connor/Leeming
The pack pretty much picks itself.
If Alex Sutcliffe isn`t fit yet I would put Tindall on the wing with Broadbent to centre.
Of course it won`t happen but it would send a message to those who don`t perform that they will lose their place in the team.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 2:26 pm  

Just logged on and read some of the comments on here. You are an ungrateful bunch of supporters what did you expect. It was the fault of the weather that we were so poor, next week it will be better you wait and see.
After last nights performance its hard to describe what is happening. Agar uses the same excuse every week. If you are finding faults we can sing until the cows come home but you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can only polish a turd so much. Agar and Long must be down knowing they are trying to coach some players who are either not good enough or dont want to be there. Long was a top quality half back if he cannot get the best out of them then who can. Its the same excuses every week we were dumb, playing dumb rugby, but they never blame themselves. We won the challenge cup last season, the SF against Wigan was the best we had played in 18 months similar to the conditions last night. Since that game we have never got to the same level. Before the game against Wigan for the previous 2 years we never played good rugby. There is no plan other than to recruit players like Mellor, Leeming Dwyer, Briscoe plus others and this is where we end up. Someone somewhere needs a good kick up the backside and start a recruitment policy. Simply expecting supporters to turn up week in and week out and watch that dross is asking too much. when and will it start to get better, this season no, half the team want dropping, put the kids in, they cannot do any worse and lets see at the end of the season. At the moment I would expect Leigh to beat us.
At what stage do we say to the coaching staff enough is enough, do we lose the next 3 games and then say thats it enough when, because it cannot go on much longer.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 3:06 pm  

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you are saying Brodie I`m not sure who we could get in to coach this season should Agar get the boot.
We have a lot of average players similar to what Leeds United had a couple of years ago.
But a good coach got them to win the Championship and perform above expectations this season.
This season like the seasons before look like more of the same (rebuilding).
We might find another Newman or Gannon but patience is wearing thin as top priority isn`t to find a half back although that would help.
Our priority is to find the equivalent of a Bielsa who has proved that even average players can be coached to perform above expectations.
Agar isn`t that person I`m afraid but it looks like he will be around at least until the end of this year.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 3:18 pm  

We won the title in 2017 on the back of a superb late run following the horrific cup semi with Hull, and we got the CC last year due to a brilliant game against Wigan, but otherwise since the treble of 2015, the way our side has been allowed to decline is a disgrace. We battled against relegation more often that we haven't (2016, 2018, 2019). But for a dropped pass at Widnes we could have been in the lower division. I honestly don't see any quick fix, but we can't go on like this for too much longer. Fans will stop turning up to watch such utter tripe.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm  

Shabino wrote:

He's a centre in a props body....

More like a centre in Dawn French's body

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 4:09 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Gale gets an easy ride on here - he is offering nothing at the moment, his kicking is shambolic and his passing offers no threat. He managed to get Leeming off the field yet his passing isn't great - easy to pass from hand to the next guy. He is supposed to be running the show but he showing little leadership especially going forward. The only bit of real quality was Myler's short pass in the lead up to the last Leeds try.

Agree with this 100%

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 4:38 pm  

We are not a "top side" at the moment, and the earliest we might be is next year IMO.

We're highly unlikely to get anything out of this season, except experience for the young lads and some time for the seniors to show what they can do or be shipped on.

I didn't expect anything different this year once those injuries really kicked in, I'm honestly not sure which yardstick some of you are using. We have some brilliant talent at the club, but it takes time. We totally took our eye off the ball there for years (or the talent just wasn't there, or both). Now we have a real strong production line of talent but even the likes of Mik aren't fully in their prime yet. We just need to accept it's going to be a number of years still before the full potential of our youth is winning things again. When the young lads are in their prime AND we have some high quality seniors amongst them, we'll be fine.

As for senior recruitment I've made some criticisms in the past. I can also see a club desperate to avoid the drop, struggling for finances in places and struggling to compete with clubs in better position/form than us. We've made some mistakes but some good signings too amongst them.

Thing is to step forward we are going to have to concentrate resources on better quality than we have now, which means difficult conversations and some big decisions.

I actually quite enjoyed the game against Hull. Massively frustrating that we couldn't pierce the line in good ball but great to see an atmosphere back, dare I say a bit off biff and patches of good play given the conditions.

I still maintain we are not as far off as some seem to think. It's a bit like when we played Wigan: Hastings is on our side, we win that game. Against Hull, Jake Connor is in a Leeds shirt and we win that game. You keep winning games like those and suddenly you're in amongst it again. Field position was a massive issue when Furner came in, now we're getting forward quite nicely. What we lack now is skill and execution in the back line, mostly. Fix one link and then on to the next.

Re: RD 7 | Hull FC (H) : Mon May 24, 2021 4:41 pm  

Having said the above, to be clear I don't think the club can put out valid excuses not to be competitive next season. They have the chance to change what needs to be changed. I'm not suggesting we'll do the treble in 2022 but we certainly should be winning some of the games we're currently losing, and starting to build a side which others respect again.