Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:37 am  

Joshheff90 wrote:

I agree. If josh Walters or cam smith for example were on the bench you could also understand it. But keinhorst is a save pair of hands, good in defence and never lets anyone down.

Exactly, it beggars belief that he's been unused for two consecutive games, esp last week when his defence would have been more than useful
It was hardly surprising that Ward was out on his feet considering the amount of work he'd done in the rest of the game.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:21 pm  

a little bit off topic, but I am reading a book about Paul Sykes, the late ex-boxer and hard man who appeared to rule Wakefield as well ! didn't expect McDermott's name to crop up but there was a bit of a feud with the family. It's a fascinating read by the way.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:04 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Not rotating forwards is just really, really dumb player management. No NRL side does it, no matter how many tyros are on the bench. If you can't trust a forward to make some tackles and a few runs whilst giving someone a breather for 10 minutes then he shouldn't be in the 17 at all.

Id go further mate, if he doesnt trust a forward to do a 10-15 minute spell then they shouldnt be in the squad at all, never mind the 17.

And Printer, if your calling Holbrook dumb for not putting on his bench attacking threat until the last 10 mins then what about our coach who didnt use ours at all?

Im not in the camp that thinks Mac should be sacked btw (if we get top 4 then I think he has earned another season), but this substitution thing is suicidal and almost cost us AGAIN

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:25 pm  

I think he has to leave/retire whatever regardless of how this season finishes. Win or lose.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:42 pm  

I agree. his times up

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:37 pm  

marathonman wrote:

a little bit off topic, but I am reading a book about Paul Sykes, the late ex-boxer and hard man who appeared to rule Wakefield as well ! didn't expect McDermott's name to crop up but there was a bit of a feud with the family. It's a fascinating read by the way.

Aye, never knew it was Terry Mitchell that battered Sykes the week before he was due to fight Lenny McLean. Great read.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:18 pm  

Most coaches plan for the times they will swap forwards around well before the game, then adjust due to injuries as very few forwards can play 80 minutes without a break. Not using a sub smacks of thinking more in terms of the subs being somehow "strategic" which is how they were used a decade ago.

Burrow I can sort of understand using that way and reacting to the game, but even then it really does raise the question of why bothering with him in the first place. If he's there to have a big impact then you should put him on at some stage, and if its to spell the hooker ditto - just different times. Keinhorst I just don't get, and I expect BM couldn't explain the reasoning either.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:54 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Most coaches plan for the times they will swap forwards around well before the game, then adjust due to injuries as very few forwards can play 80 minutes without a break. Not using a sub smacks of thinking more in terms of the subs being somehow "strategic" which is how they were used a decade ago.

Burrow I can sort of understand using that way and reacting to the game, but even then it really does raise the question of why bothering with him in the first place. If he's there to have a big impact then you should put him on at some stage, and if its to spell the hooker ditto - just different times. Keinhorst I just don't get, and I expect BM couldn't explain the reasoning either.

A determined group of men .....

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:07 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Most coaches plan for the times they will swap forwards around well before the game, then adjust due to injuries as very few forwards can play 80 minutes without a break. Not using a sub smacks of thinking more in terms of the subs being somehow "strategic" which is how they were used a decade ago.

Burrow I can sort of understand using that way and reacting to the game, but even then it really does raise the question of why bothering with him in the first place. If he's there to have a big impact then you should put him on at some stage, and if its to spell the hooker ditto - just different times. Keinhorst I just don't get, and I expect BM couldn't explain the reasoning either.

once the game starts he's either unable or unwilling to adjust things as the game unfolds

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:28 am  

I may have missed any of the sky team or other journalists asking him about his bench policy. Certainly I can't recall any other coach in super league acting in a similar manner in not using all the bench. Finishing in the top four may be considered by some to be a reasonable achievement. Considering last seasons disaster, going to old trafford would probably secure his position irrespective of winning or not. At the moment he doesn't seem particularly happy maybe he has had enough.