Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 6:26 pm  

I notice on the bbc super league show both tony smith and wilken thought the McGuire try should have been allowed.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 6:50 pm  

I thought Smith contradicted himself on that one.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 7:04 pm  

wigan got all the 50/50 calls yet again from bentham just like at wembley in 2011

regarding the no-try,would this have been picked up had the game not been on tv?
i agree that players now know how to impede dummy runners and how to best reap the rewards but surely common sense must prevail and that the impeded player would have to have been capable of stopping the try,i don't believe that sundays incident was preventable by the impeded player alone,add to the fact how far out the incident occurred too as most obstructions happen much closer to the tryline

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 7:31 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I think the bigger problem from my point of view was he had already called play-on, Silverwood saw the incident and made a decision on it. It wasn’t a case of him allowing the play to see where it finished (at the time of the offence it wasn’t a clear opportunity) more him seeing an incident, making a decision on it, then because it eventually resulted in a try getting a 2nd opinion on it. The issue is the discrepancy between Mcguire getting tackled a yard out, and Leeds scoring the next play-the-ball and the referees decision stands, and Mcguire scoring with a good bit of play and the referee giving up on his decision. I think there need to be a process whereby either we stick with the referee’s decision that he made when he called play-on originally, or that possible obstruction is checked by the VR even if he doesn’t score.

I agree.

The pertinent point for me is that if McGuire hadn't had the skill to dummy Tomkins and Tomkins had been a better FB (a la Hardaker ) by making the tackle; then any legitamate score off the next play would have been allowed and the 'obstruction' forgotten.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 7:38 pm  

nantwichexile wrote:

I agree.

The pertinent point for me is that if McGuire hadn't had the skill to dummy Tomkins and Tomkins had been a better FB (a la Hardaker ) by making the tackle; then any legitamate score off the next play would have been allowed and the 'obstruction' forgotten.

Personally while watching the game I was shouting at the TV for Mags to take the tackle as when I saw it at the time I thought obstruction.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 7:47 pm  

ROCHDALERHINO wrote:

Without the cameras there yesterday the Maguire try stands and we win the game

By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 8:20 pm  

gary numan wrote:

I know well about the velocity in relation to the ground etc.. but it is quite clear that the ball leaves tomkins hand in a forward motion not just because the player is moving in a forward direction.

The only thing that is quite clear is that you and I have a different opinion on the direction it left Tomkins hands. More camera angles are needed and even then only if positioned precisely in line and people will still no doubt see things differently. Camera angles from behind the play (majority of TV shots as cameras tend to be positioned high above the centre line) tend to make passes look more forward than they are while cameras from behind the dead-ball line have the opposite effect.

Flat and backward passes are legal. Tomkins would have found it difficult to propel the ball forward while moving at speed and had he managed to do so Richards would have needed to be stood in front of the passer or sprouted wings in order to collect it, IMO.

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 8:23 pm  

Finfin wrote:

By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.

I think he was short anyway

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Tue May 28, 2013 8:48 pm  

Finfin wrote:

By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.

I would imagine Watkins try may not have been given without the replays also

Re: Wigan v Leeds | Sunday 26th May | Etihad Stadium | 7:30p : Wed May 29, 2013 7:22 am  

tvoc wrote:

The only thing that is quite clear is that you and I have a different opinion on the direction it left Tomkins hands. More camera angles are needed and even then only if positioned precisely in line and people will still no doubt see things differently. Camera angles from behind the play (majority of TV shots as cameras tend to be positioned high above the centre line) tend to make passes look more forward than they are while cameras from behind the dead-ball line have the opposite effect.

Flat and backward passes are legal. Tomkins would have found it difficult to propel the ball forward while moving at speed and had he managed to do so Richards would have needed to be stood in front of the passer or sprouted wings in order to collect it, IMO.

Strange how all the other passes shown from the same camera angle in that attacking set look backwards, it's only the Tomkins to Richards that is an optical illusion.