Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:19 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

There will be a massive overhaul of the playing staff over the next two years however IMO, and McDermott's biggest challenge is going to be managing it without a drop in results.

Over that period, Leeds are going to need to find replacements for the likes of Webb, Senior, Peacock, Leuluai, Cross, Lauitiiit and Buderus. How well that transition is handled could be the yardstick by which McDermott is measured rather than necessarily the winning of trophies.

Jones-Bishop, Watkins, Hardaker, Ward, Ambler, Amor, Hood, Clarkson could be a pretty good generation. McDermott seems to be getting the thankless Darryl Powell job of blooding them, although the existing, experienced players are significantly better than the ones Powell inherited so *if he is any good as a head coach* Leeds should still challenge for titles in the interim.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:20 pm  

cheekydiddles wrote:

Burrow out,Rangi Chase in.

Hmmm.......NO!

He looks slightly above par, in a very below par side. He has a few highlight games per season. That's pretty much it.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:20 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I would hope Leeds have learned their lesson in terms of providing "jobs for the boys" among the coaching staff.

Do you have any doubt that Kevin Sinfield will be the Leeds coach literally the minute he retires from playing?

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:22 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Right - so Leeds are already facing the start of the season with one of their starting halves missing, and are going to allow the other to move to another SL club?

Burrow won't depart unless they agree terms with Thomas Leuluai.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:26 pm  

Let him go IMO.

He's distinctly average these days. It prefer to see a 1,6,7 combo of BJB, Webb, McGuire next year. Obviously for the start it'd BJB, Sinny, Webb. Iv been saying for the last year and a half that Burrow will never be the player he was due to the fact he has no idea how to open a set defence. He was effective before all the clubs learned how to defend in a set line when it was a lot more broken play.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:32 pm  

Webb doesn't have the game to play in the halves other than in an emergency IMO.

It's one thing coming into the line a couple of times a game and throwing a cut out pass to the left, but there's more to an 80 minute performance in the halfbacks than that (unless you're Paul Cooke).

Still it would fulfill his apparent need to defend right up in the line rather than actually at full back, which has hurt Leeds on more than one occasion this season.

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:46 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I would hope Leeds have learned their lesson in terms of providing "jobs for the boys" among the coaching staff.

What lesson is that, 3 Grand Finals wins during Poching and Cummins tenures as assistant coaches?

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:48 pm  

G1 wrote:

What lesson is that, 3 Grand Finals wins during Poching and Cummins tenures as assistant coaches?

Clearly 3 Grand Final wins that the management believe didn't have a great deal to do with the input of either, given they have been shown the door...

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:02 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Clearly 3 Grand Final wins that the management believe didn't have a great deal to do with the input of either, given they have been shown the door...

I don't know why you've reached that conclusion. Did they have nothing to do with Smith and McLennan then? Did they have nothing to do with players who have since departed?

Just saying that making ex players assistant coaches hasn't exactly been a recipe for disaster for us so I don't get what lessons need to be learned?

Re: Rob Burrow to Bulls : Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:03 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Clearly 3 Grand Final wins that the management believe didn't have a great deal to do with the input of either, given they have been shown the door...

Thought Cummins chose to leave.