Re: Joe Westerman : Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:08 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I would ask you one thing and one thing only, reread what I have said and not make assumptions based on clueless posters that derail threads.

You are correct that I posted I had heard the same thing about Westerman, but this was because the Burgess signing was a goer, and it had come from a coach at Leeds. That bit I take your doubts with in good faith, although I am comfortable with it.

Where I don't accept your doubts is regarding Clarke, as this came straight from his mouth, and I have been clear on that. Not hearsay, not bar talk as you put it, but straight from the player. It had even gone as far as new accommodation sorted, helped by Leeds, as they were clear it was a done deal. I also don't accept your doubts on Westerman's contract offer, again this comes direct from the player, although I do accept not direct to me. But regardless it is definitely correct.

As I said in the post you quoted. I am comfortable with the information, as would not have posted otherwise. I don't have these small man insecurities of others, so have no worry's about being doubted, and nor do I just expect people to accept it. I post what is relevant and stick by it, not for attention, but for discussion.

Ok I am not doubting your word that certain players have made comments directly to you. But this doesn't mean their version of events is correct. Terms being offered either directly to the player or to his agent could include accommodation etc. But terms on offer are not a done deal or even any sort of a deal but just the first part of a negotiation which like any job offer would have to be confirmed in writing ( ie a contract) and would need an agreement with his present club if were still under contract. Now even the thickest player should understand that until he puts his cross at the bottom of the contract nothing is certain.

Others have posted about a possible signing of Clark being subject to Warrington finding a suitable replacement which is believable. At the same time it was common knowledge that Leeds were scouring the NRL for a hooker and we have been linked with almost any reasonable 9 since Aiton's move to France was announced so Clark must have known that too.

The same goes for the Westerman - he must have known any deal was subject to the clubs agreeing terms.

Re: Joe Westerman : Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:24 pm  

Heard a rumour westerman will be announced as a Warrington player tonight

Re: Joe Westerman : Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:35 pm  

Just been speaking to a guy with pretty good links to a big name player who is apparently coming this way.


Ooooh it's pretty easy making stuff up like this, isn't it!?

Re: Joe Westerman : Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:56 pm  

Done deals are done when contracts are signed and not before.
Plus if i was GH, i'd be a bit worried that one of my staff was leaking transfer activity to people who then go and tell the world on a forum.

You're either a fantasist or you don't respect the person giving you the info.

I know someone at Wire, i get juicy gossip and he's right 90% of the time and i don't even tell my mates or my family, i certainly don't post it on here.

Re: Joe Westerman : Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:23 pm  

The Neutral Zone wrote:

Done deals are done when contracts are signed and not before.
Plus if i was GH, i'd be a bit worried that one of my staff was leaking transfer activity to people who then go and tell the world on a forum.

You're either a fantasist or you don't respect the person giving you the info.

I know someone at Wire, i get juicy gossip and he's right 90% of the time and i don't even tell my mates or my family, i certainly don't post it on here.

Yes I have wondered whether Gotcha informs this Leeds coach that he goes and spreads this information over the internet and what this Leeds coach would think of that.

I'm not sure this Leeds coach could be described as trustworthy as surely the person higher up at the club who told him surely did so in the belief that he wouldn't go sharing this private information out into the public domain.

Re: Joe Westerman : Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:21 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes I have wondered whether Gotcha informs this Leeds coach that he goes and spreads this information over the internet and what this Leeds coach would think of that.

I'm not sure this Leeds coach could be described as trustworthy as surely the person higher up at the club who told him surely did so in the belief that he wouldn't go sharing this private information out into the public domain.

Bloody hell. A coach is at our presentation evening, and at the same club many nights, and I speak about signing Westerman, only to be told he isn't signing no more due to the Burgess signing been a goer, and suddenly he is committing gross misconduct. Seriously get real. The players are all aware too. I got more out of Gary Hetherington the other week when I had breakfast with him, and that wasn't much. Should Gary be up before the beak too? Now had this same coach told me previous things, I might get the gist of your moan, but really, I think you need to stop scrapping the bottom of that barrel.

Some posters really need to get in the real world. Deals are common knowledge in many circles long before they are announced. Players talk, agents talk, sponsors are many times called on board before a deal. My original fall out with G1 on here was all over Harris coming back from union. I was invited by Gary Hetherington through my company to part sponsor the resigning of Harris when he returned to rugby league. I knew all about the first refusal contract he had signed. G1 didn't believe there was such a thing, only for us to win a court case on the back of it several years later.

You yourself Printer was quick end of last year to post derogatory comments on Morgan Smith regarding how much he had gone for in leaving, and that you had the knowledge from a source. You were wrong at the time of course, by the sounds of what you put, but sill are you really confident to say your information is more worthwhile? smacks a bit hypocritical.

Besides I now see it reported that Hull have turned down Warringtons offer now for Westerman. Yet I know again that Westerman has agreed terms with Warrington after Leeds pulled out.

Things happen around the game, and nobody is going to find out everything. You only have to look at Nosey Parker for that, and he gets paid for it. But clubs do talk. Frosties on here gets a lot of stick, but most of what he puts is true from the time. Things change things change, so what. I have never professed at any time to have inside info, I just relay what is spoken about, and most of the times it is correct, because when it has been third hand I have posted it is third hand. When it has been first hand I have posted it has been first hand. I could tell you a few other deals about to happen in Super League, but to be honest it doesn't interest me as it is not Leeds, and I only have an interest on this board.

Re: Joe Westerman : Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:28 am  

I don't think people are really taking issue with sharing of info or gossip, people do talk and it would be boring on here without it, but to use that gossip as foundation for a 'unprofessional' dig at the club is silly....

Re: Joe Westerman : Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:38 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Wish people would stop putting Clarke when they mean Clark. It's getting as bad as Burrows and Maguire now

Best post on this thread Biff Amazed how die hard RL fans can't even spell a players name properly.

Re: Joe Westerman : Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:39 am  

Superted wrote:

I don't think people are really taking issue with sharing of info or gossip, people do talk and it would be boring on here without it, but to use that gossip as foundation for a 'unprofessional' dig at the club is silly....

Well I thank you for your comment and agreement, but your last bit is exactly where this board struggles. People make assumptions and because of it fail to read posts fully.

My comment on the club was that this would be the fourth deal in the last year that the club have told the players it is sorted, but have failed to see the deal through with the players club. My point was entirely to do with proclaiming yourself as a club loyal and look after players, which Leeds have been excellent at. Now had those "deals" come from one source of information, then hell I would be agreeing totally with you, but that is not the case, and I have repeated that a fair few times over. Gossip is third hand, and usually from fellow spectators, it is not from the player concerned mouth.

Re: Joe Westerman : Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:43 am  

Terribly unprofessional of Warrington to tell Westerman a deal was done when it clearly wasn't.