Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:21 am  

ploinerrhino wrote:

He signed his mate Nene as well , how has that finished up

Are you blaming Smith for him not returning? I don't think anyone saw that coming.

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:37 am  

Well, at least we tried hard...

Actually, I think that's part of the problem. We think we try hard, but actually were not doing the 1%ers that make the difference. We know this team has errors in it, lots of them, but we don't appear to be working on technique or decision making to stop those errors from happening. Coming off the field gassed isn't the only measure of working hard.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:49 am  

Well….
You can’t go up against a well drilled, motivated and red hot team in the goons and just not do the basics correctly.

There are massive mitigating factors that put us in this position to start with players out / injured / AWOL.
Younger squad players thrust into the team when not quite ready.
And of course a very lopsided, miss-firing team in general.

We’ve been off the pace ALL season, we squandered pre season on gimmicks, we haven’t put one 80min performance in yet with x2 games to go and we’ve taken shortcuts when we really shouldn’t have.

Is this all smiths fault? No.
Is this all Hetherington’s fault? No.
This is a culmination of years of poor club decisions stretching back nearly a decade.
We’ve complained for a while about deadwood in the team and tbf to Rohan he’s certainly bottomed out the team just as we asked, this has to be the low point in this process as more performances like that are understandable but unacceptable.
He now needs heavily backing getting decent difference making leaders and players in and rebuilding from scratch. This has been needed for a long while, it’s painful but it’s badly needed.

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:17 am  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Well….
You can’t go up against a well drilled, motivated and red hot team in the goons and just not do the basics correctly.

There are massive mitigating factors that put us in this position to start with players out / injured / AWOL.
Younger squad players thrust into the team when not quite ready.
And of course a very lopsided, miss-firing team in general.

We’ve been off the pace ALL season, we squandered pre season on gimmicks, we haven’t put one 80min performance in yet with x2 games to go and we’ve taken shortcuts when we really shouldn’t have.


Yes he has bottomed out the team as we asked but brought in even more deadwood

Is this all smiths fault? No.
Is this all Hetherington’s fault? No.
This is a culmination of years of poor club decisions stretching back nearly a decade.
We’ve complained for a while about deadwood in the team and tbf to Rohan he’s certainly bottomed out the team just as we asked, this has to be the low point in this process as more performances like that are understandable but unacceptable.
He now needs heavily backing getting decent difference making leaders and players in and rebuilding from scratch. This has been needed for a long while, it’s painful but it’s badly needed.

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:19 am  

MrPotatoHead wrote:

Are you blaming Smith for him not returning? I don't think anyone saw that coming.

Well it was his signing but we have a history of these type of players

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 9:24 am  

christopher wrote:

Think you’re missing my point.

Was it you at Hull last week?

No it was not me , fortunately i can't make Saturdays , my point was you saying it is just a game !

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:40 am  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Well….
You can’t go up against a well drilled, motivated and red hot team in the goons and just not do the basics correctly.

There are massive mitigating factors that put us in this position to start with players out / injured / AWOL.
Younger squad players thrust into the team when not quite ready.
And of course a very lopsided, miss-firing team in general.

We’ve been off the pace ALL season, we squandered pre season on gimmicks, we haven’t put one 80min performance in yet with x2 games to go and we’ve taken shortcuts when we really shouldn’t have.

Is this all smiths fault? No.
Is this all Hetherington’s fault? No.
This is a culmination of years of poor club decisions stretching back nearly a decade.
We’ve complained for a while about deadwood in the team and tbf to Rohan he’s certainly bottomed out the team just as we asked, this has to be the low point in this process as more performances like that are understandable but unacceptable.
He now needs heavily backing getting decent difference making leaders and players in and rebuilding from scratch. This has been needed for a long while, it’s painful but it’s badly needed.

Good balanced post that. Completely agree.

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:47 am  

Shabino wrote:

Good balanced post that. Completely agree.

Yep, me too

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:33 pm  

The only part of Swarcliffe's post I'd take issue with is saying its not all GH's fault but then pointing out its the culmination of poor decisions back almost a decade. While not "all" his fault clearly the bulk of the blame for that period has to go with the senior decision-maker who has been there the whole time? I genuinely can't think of many big decisions that he's made in recent years that have been good in the long term (unless you include getting rid of coaches he appointed in the first place before we actually got relegated)?

I'm still going to back Smith for next season, as I think we have to show some sense of long-term focus. I only hope the players leaving during the season - which I think must be almost unique in modern history at Leeds? - is just part of the bottoming out process and not a sign of something worse with him as coach.

Re: RD 25 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sun Sep 10, 2023 3:41 pm  

I do think RS can be better judged either way next season. With his men in, his idea of dead wood largely gone, a full pre-season then we really need to be better next season.

We won’t get as many chances like this to sweep a broom through and have as much cap/quota/marquee available in one season and we need to see the master plan emerging.

We also need those spine players here and in training from the start of pre-season.