Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:08 pm  

I agree. but then a lot of the blame lay with him too

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:13 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

I agree. but then a lot of the blame lay with him too

Absolutely. The buck stops with the coach. If the club gives him more time (I think they will) he's got to use this low point as a springboard for change. If he can't do that then he will be a goner.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:25 pm  

Sir Gregory ParsloeP wrote:

Kear is head coach at Widnes

My mate told me Widnes want £250 and bag of bibs to release him but Hetherington so far will only pay £50 and 4 of Ryan Bailey’s old jockstraps. Negotiations are expected to go through the night.

GH needs to bite the bullet and go the extra jockstrap. We need Kear and we need him badly.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:13 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

Absolutely. The buck stops with the coach. If the club gives him more time (I think they will) he's got to use this low point as a springboard for change. If he can't do that then he will be a goner.

Does anyone on here really know the ins and outs of what's gone on contract wise with the current players? I certainly don't, but the body language and general can't be bothered attitude from many seems to suggest a number have been told they're out at the end of the season or their contracts, whenever they are up, won't be renewed and that they can look for another club. If that's the case, and given that the club can't just cancel contracts, isn't that what most on here have been clamouring for? Underperformers with the wrong attitude being shown the door, and that attitude being confirmed game by game? Professional sport is a complex business with many moving parts. Very rarely, if ever, is a problem solved in the long term by one action. On the flip side, a knee jerk reaction that doesn't address the actual issues can set a club back years.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:16 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

GH needs to bite the bullet and go the extra jockstrap. We need Kear and we need him badly.

I’ll be biting jockstraps if we bring in Kear

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:26 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

Does anyone on here really know the ins and outs of what's gone on contract wise with the current players? I certainly don't, but the body language and general can't be bothered attitude from many seems to suggest a number have been told they're out at the end of the season or their contracts, whenever they are up, won't be renewed and that they can look for another club. If that's the case, and given that the club can't just cancel contracts, isn't that what most on here have been clamouring for? Underperformers with the wrong attitude being shown the door, and that attitude being confirmed game by game? Professional sport is a complex business with many moving parts. Very rarely, if ever, is a problem solved in the long term by one action. On the flip side, a knee jerk reaction that doesn't address the actual issues can set a club back years.

It's tempting to think that (and I have) but the senior players most on here expect to depart - Fusitua, Sezer and Tetavano - are all out injured. Maybe Austin is on the outs, but if he is he certainly hasn't stopped trying. If anything he's trying too hard. Bentley maybe a lose cannon, but I've not seen him lack effort.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:35 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

It's tempting to think that (and I have) but the senior players most on here expert to depart - Fusitua, Sezer and Tetavano - are all out injured. Maybe Austin is on the outs, but if he is he certainly hasn't stopped trying. If anything he's trying too hard. Bentley maybe a lose cannon, but I've not seen him lack effort.

Agree largely with this. Personally I'd retain Austin. If he is guilty of anything, it's trying to do it all himself. Perhaps in his mind he feels that no one else is stepping up. On the wider point of contracts not being renewed, perhaps the list contains more than the usual suspects? Over a longer time horizon that a year, granted, but with the push that they find other clubs sooner rather than later.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:43 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

Agree largely with this. Personally I'd retain Austin. If he is guilty of anything, it's trying to do it all himself. Perhaps in his mind he feels that no one else is stepping up. On the wider point of contracts not being renewed, perhaps the list contains more than the usual suspects? Over a longer time horizon that a year, granted, but with the push that they find other clubs sooner rather than later.

And maybe that is the case. My worry is that whilst other clubs seem to be aggressively getting their business done we are biding our time. I guess none of this would we really worry me if we were winning 2 out of every 3 games, but we aren't - so I look for positive news elsewhere.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:51 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

And maybe that is the case. My worry is that whilst other clubs seem to be aggressively getting their business done we are biding our time. I guess none of this would we really worry me if we were winning 2 out of every 3 games, but we aren't - so I look for positive news elsewhere.

I don't disagree. I'm just trying to look for reasons why we may be where we are. As I've said in other posts, shades of Wire last season. Perhaps the reasons are similar. Perhaps they aren't.

Re: RD 15 | Wakefield Trinity (A) : Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:11 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

And maybe that is the case. My worry is that whilst other clubs seem to be aggressively getting their business done we are biding our time. I guess none of this would we really worry me if we were winning 2 out of every 3 games, but we aren't - so I look for positive news elsewhere.

How do your know where biding our time? You’ve got no idea what’s going on behind the scenes