Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:39 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Yes, because the team would be playing with structure, intensity, intelligence and direction. Rather than being an ill-disciplined, headless chicken rabble. You may disagree with that, but I'd venture that it's a difficult stance to adopt with any real confidence.

No, it's very easy to in part dissagree. I have watched these same players regress for the last 3 years, even whilst winning a 3rd on the trot championship. We had last season and before an extremely good coach. An extremely good coach who jumped ship because he knew exactly how these same players were going to go this season.

What we see now from Leeds is exactly what I called and predicted 18 months ago. That was long before any thoughts of McDermott has coach. It's not hindsight, go back on my posts and you will see it clearly. I always said without major changes to the playing rota that this would happen.

FearTheVee wrote:

I'm not arguing the merits of Leeds' playing rosta, I'm arguing the merits of a good coach.

There is no doubt what a good coach can do, but he needs the right tools to do it. We saw that ourselves in 2004. We had a wonderfully developed squad, built on the right ingredients, and added to it a very good coach. History will show you what was achieved.

We also had an extremely good coach in the late 90's, who had one extremely good year, and then when realised the players were not capable of reproducing, flattered to deceive following this.

Were Wigan a poor coached team under John Monie? no they weren't, but they were not better than under their predecessor, and Monie himself even said the players were that good that the team could coach it's self. Even West had success with that team, could he really be regarded as a good coach? Could West come into Leeds now and make a difference?

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:42 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Snip

Treacle pushing exercise - you don't think Maguire would improve Leeds markedly, I do. Let's agree to disagree.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:44 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Treacle pushing exercise - you don't think Maguire would improve Leeds markedly, I do. Let's agree to disagree.

No, your wrong on what I think. I agreed that Maguire would improve Leeds performances this season. I just don't agree he would improve the very same set of players going forward. Just like any other great coach in history, they need to stamp their own mark on the team and that involves their own players.

We were lucky at Leeds over a number of years, because our players were great at a young age and therefore were growing better together. Coaches did not need to drastically change things, but just add to it. What we need now though is major surgery.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:48 am  

RhinoLaney wrote:

I'm not usually one for calling for a coaches head as such but tonight is the last straw for me.

No tactics, No discipline, The players have totally lost all control of what they should be doing...It's just shocking!!

Is this how Bradford felt last year?

My only problem is if we get rid now, who is out there at the moment to change things??

We are currently lying 8th in SL...I just can't believe it.

Yes. It was.

And we DID get rid. And yet the catastrophe continues.

For reasons that bemuse the hell out of me, you guys now seem to have somehow stumbled across and started following the trail to hell that we blazed.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:49 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Could West come into Leeds now and make a difference?

West could make a major difference.

'Taxi for McDermott and Lowes.'

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:49 am  

tvoc wrote:

West could make a major difference.

'Taxi for McDermott and Lowes.'

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:57 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Yes. It was.

And we DID get rid. And yet the catastrophe continues.

For reasons that bemuse the hell out of me, you guys now seem to have somehow stumbled across and started following the trail to hell that we blazed.

That's because once you have that downward spiral it takes time to get out of it. You were never going to rebuild in one season. You do your rebuilding from a position of strength if you do not want to hit the wall.

What you see with the Bulls, is that despite appointing an excellent coach they are still doing has bad as the previous bad one. The reason been is because even though you did change the playing rosta, you replaced 5h1te with 5h1te. The tools for the coach are vitally important.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:12 pm  

leeds_warrior wrote:

Instead of moaning on forums fans need to start showing their feelings at the matches. Forget chanting we're Leeds Rhinos start chanting for McDermott to go instead.

Totally agree. On Friday we should protest and not stop until the McDermott is sacked, even chanting "McDermott it's time to go" constantly throughout the match and refusing to leave the ground afterwards.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:16 pm  

We already got reprimanded for booing the Third Coming at the Exiles game and now we are going to turn on our coach!?! We will be burned at the stake I tell ya!!

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:27 pm  

if you've got to hit the lowest point before you get better then surely it's going to get worse for you?

remember millward and being bottom of the league? noble then did a great 3/4 years of stabilising us into being a solid playoff team but that ultimately was as far as he could take us.

im not sure how much this is mcd or how much it is an ageing set of players who frankly seem ill disciplined and disrespectful towards mcd.