Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 am  

CartHorse1984 wrote:

I think the belief among the Leeds fans is that the team can beat Saints.
The reason this subject is being heavily debated amongst Leeds fans is because we have been crucified by the MRP all season and the punishments haven't been applied across the board.
I would rather see Welsby play because I didn't see any intent but I saw Fusitua banned for the same offence, Sezer banned for a similar offence and Martin banned for something that wasn't anywhere near as bad.
I don't want to see a young kid denied the chance to play in a final but those tackles have been punished all season and let's not forget he left him with facial injuries. There's not really any argument that he shouldn't be banned.
Regardless of this in my opinion anybody who suffers a ban then I think their crimes should have been worthy of a sending off at the time. Players are getting yellow cards or just penalised on televised games and then getting banned. If it's serious enough for a ban it should be serious enough to see red in a game. For serial offenders then yes a ban after a number of offences. If they don't see red in a game how can you issue a ban afterward for 99% of incidents?

The slight difference in both the Fussy and the Sezer bans is that both were fractionally late. The player no longer had the ball when impact occurred. Welsby timed it perfectly. It's just a question of whether the unintentional impact to the head is deemed reckless? I don't know if he has any form in this regard, but I suspect not and for that reason I think he'll avoid a ban. The Martin verdicts were both so plainly ridiculous that when measured against them any other borderline act feels like a ban. Do we really want the game to use them as the benchmark though?

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:28 am  

CartHorse1984 wrote:

I think the belief among the Leeds fans is that the team can beat Saints.
The reason this subject is being heavily debated amongst Leeds fans is because we have been crucified by the MRP all season and the punishments haven't been applied across the board.
I would rather see Welsby play because I didn't see any intent but I saw Fusitua banned for the same offence, Sezer banned for a similar offence and Martin banned for something that wasn't anywhere near as bad.
I don't want to see a young kid denied the chance to play in a final but those tackles have been punished all season and let's not forget he left him with facial injuries. There's not really any argument that he shouldn't be banned.
Regardless of this in my opinion anybody who suffers a ban then I think their crimes should have been worthy of a sending off at the time. Players are getting yellow cards or just penalised on televised games and then getting banned. If it's serious enough for a ban it should be serious enough to see red in a game. For serial offenders then yes a ban after a number of offences. If they don't see red in a game how can you issue a ban afterward for 99% of incidents?

I don’t know why people continue to compare this to incidents where players make first contact with the head or hit a player that doesn’t have the ball.

Clutching at straws, it was a brilliant tackle.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:14 am  

Listening to smith it sounds like myler into the halves, hardaker fb with probably Martin Centre and tetevano back row.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:23 am  

CartHorse1984 wrote:

I think the belief among the Leeds fans is that the team can beat Saints.
The reason this subject is being heavily debated amongst Leeds fans is because we have been crucified by the MRP all season and the punishments haven't been applied across the board.
I would rather see Welsby play because I didn't see any intent but I saw Fusitua banned for the same offence, Sezer banned for a similar offence and Martin banned for something that wasn't anywhere near as bad.
I don't want to see a young kid denied the chance to play in a final but those tackles have been punished all season and let's not forget he left him with facial injuries. There's not really any argument that he shouldn't be banned.
Regardless of this in my opinion anybody who suffers a ban then I think their crimes should have been worthy of a sending off at the time. Players are getting yellow cards or just penalised on televised games and then getting banned. If it's serious enough for a ban it should be serious enough to see red in a game. For serial offenders then yes a ban after a number of offences. If they don't see red in a game how can you issue a ban afterward for 99% of incidents?

This is spot on. We’ve had a ridiculous number of bans this year (does anyone know the running total for the number of game’s banned for our squad?

I think the disciplinary has being getting it wrong and has been way too harsh, I’d like it to change and tone down the bans, Super League is a better product with fewer bans, but that can’t happen in Grand Final week.

When you look at the bans given to Bentley, Tetevano, Austin, Sezer, Fusitu’a and Martin we must have consistency to the end of the season, Knowles and Welsby simply have to both pick up a ban.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:25 am  

Double post

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:27 am  

Seth wrote:

Listening to smith it sounds like myler into the halves, hardaker fb with probably Martin Centre and tetevano back row.

Might have to although no Myler at FB to defuse Lomax's short kicks could be a big miss.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:51 am  

Seth wrote:

Listening to smith it sounds like myler into the halves, hardaker fb with probably Martin Centre and tetevano back row.

Wonder if you might have been right the other day when you said Smith at six. He said it was the "obvious" choice at the presser but he's a cool customer isn’t he? Saints start with such a big physical onslaught and it crossed my mind that he might start Tet at loose forward.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:02 am  

ArthurClues wrote:

Wonder if you might have been right the other day when you said Smith at six. He said it was the "obvious" choice at the presser but he's a cool customer isn’t he? Saints start with such a big physical onslaught and it crossed my mind that he might start Tet at loose forward.

Yeah Smith saying 'the obvious choice' might mean obviouse to mere lay people

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:20 am  

Myler
Briscoe
Hardaker
Sutcliffe
Tindal
Austin
Smith
Oledzki
O'connor
Prior
Bentley
Martin
Tetevano

Walters
Donaldson
Thompson
Leeming


This for me creates least disruption and Smith has got a good pass from first receiver so don't think we lose much in getting attacking plays moving.

I also hope there's a faint chance on Handley.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:20 am  

Seth wrote:

Myler
Briscoe
Hardaker
Sutcliffe
Tindal
Austin
Smith
Oledzki
O'connor
Prior
Bentley
Martin
Tetevano

Walters
Donaldson
Thompson
Leeming


This for me creates least disruption and Smith has got a good pass from first receiver so don't think we lose much in getting attacking plays moving.

I also hope there's a faint chance on Handley.

I'd go with that team also.