Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:36 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

I have often defended Myler but he is indefensible now, another awful showing, he's not got the kicking game of an amateur player. We need a 6 and 7 next year as a priority. I would give Hastings that deal even with an NRL clause.

19 minutes in, 2-0 up, in their half on the last tackle & Myler just drills it into touch. Unbelievably there is mass applause in the South Stand where I'm sat.
We break early at the scrum, are (rightly) penalised & 2 tackles later their halves combine in a structured play to get Gildart outside Newman for a try.
Anyone want to applaud that thoughtless kick into touch now?

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:39 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

HIM- sorry but if you don't think the Leeds Saints Bradford teams wouldn't walk over the teams of today you are delusional. Of course we factor in that those sides would be better conditioned with the times but in general they were just by far better RL players. This current Leeds team would take an absolute hiding at the hands of all three.

Rather than say “This current Leeds team would take a beating ...etc”
you could more accurately say “any relegation threatened team in any era after the mid 80s up to the present day, would probably take a beating from a top 3 team within that same era”

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:40 am  

Uppo58 wrote:

If I remember well, you never wiped the floor with the Super League team you met in the Challenge Cup Final at Cardiff.

Infact I believe you lost, if my memory serves me better than yours.

2003. By 2005 you had made the key move towards administration/bankruptcy by signing Iestyn and cheating the salary cap by signing Adrian Morley near the end of the year. Something Noble repeated at Wigan.
But yes you had a great side.

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:43 am  

Holmes wrote:

19 minutes in, 2-0 up, in their half on the last tackle & Myler just drills it into touch. Unbelievably there is mass applause in the South Stand where I'm sat.
We break early at the scrum, are (rightly) penalised & 2 tackles later their halves combine in a structured play to get Gildart outside Newman for a try.
Anyone want to applaud that thoughtless kick into touch now?

Disagree with that one. If you watch it back it was a very good kick. The lack of discipline at the scrum was at fault

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:46 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Three out of four years near the bottom without a decent halfback. One year with one won the comp. Not the only issue but that speaks volumes.

Yes, couldn't agree more. I still think a significant factor of our poor 2016 season was McGuire's long term injury absences. Fully fit in 2017 he made Moon look good in the halves.

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:48 am  

christopher wrote:

I realise Ive totally contradicted myself in the post above regarding the halfbacks, I blame the Brandy ive just had

You deserve a medal watching the game back.

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:51 am  

Trebor1 wrote:

Disagree with that one. If you watch it back it was a very good kick. The lack of discipline at the scrum was at fault

I suppose it was better than his next kick which went into touch on the full.

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:57 am  

Holmes wrote:

19 minutes in, 2-0 up, in their half on the last tackle & Myler just drills it into touch. Unbelievably there is mass applause in the South Stand where I'm sat.
We break early at the scrum, are (rightly) penalised & 2 tackles later their halves combine in a structured play to get Gildart outside Newman for a try.
Anyone want to applaud that thoughtless kick into touch now?

This sums up why I think the game is in a dire state. I pay my £350 plus for a season ticket to watch Leeds. We have 5 one man drives and Myler rolls it into touch. The opposition let him because they are scared of touching and knocking on. They feed the scrum , get Leeds offside and as you say score.
Why on earth do I want to watch such safety first boring garbage.
Myler will be under orders and we call it game management and did it plenty under McD and guess the thinking is give us a rest, don't let the better, faster Wigan backs run in space, but it's awful to watch and IMO far too negative and bad tactics. It happens time and again with leeds bunched in midfield, Wigan of whoever push both wingers in and our 1 man drives go nowhere.

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:05 am  

Him wrote:

I think some people too often equate quality with good to watch and so we occasionally get the silly posts of so and so from 20 years ago would walk over so and so of today. When of course they really wouldn’t.

However I’d definitely agree the game isn’t as good to watch, and I’ve said this for a few years so it’s not just because Leeds aren’t at the top anymore.

We seem to get 1 or 2 teams a season who can play rugby that we would call entertaining. I don’t think that’s enough to sustain the sport. I think we actively need to find ways to make the game more open and expansive. I was watching some old games from 2002-2005 the other day, some of the defence on show was awful by today’s standards however the game seemed faster and more open and was much more entertaining.
I don’t know how we can take the wrestle out of the game but that’s a part of it I’m sure.
I’d also bring in 2 very simple rule changes that I think could open the game up more almost immediately.

1 - change the rule where an attacker goes into touch from a scrum to the defence to a play the ball where the attacker goes in touch, a bit like NFL.

We are struggling to find space on the pitch yet we have this rule in place that effectively shrinks the pitch by 5m on either side. How many times would wingers try and take on the outside if there wasn’t the danger of losing possession? It would also open up possibilities to attack from your own half.

2 - change the rule for when defences can move up after a play the ball to when the acting half back picks the ball up.

Something else I’ve noticed from older games that appeared more entertaining was the amount of time and space the halves or first receivers had on the ball was massively more than now. So let’s give attackers more time and space, it might only be a small change but it should help at least.

Interesting ideas, worth a go, something needs to change otherwise the decline continues. At half time I go for a walk and look in club shop, it's been deserted all year. Income must be way down

Re: SL RD 18 | Wigan Warriors (H) : Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:09 am  

Mark Laurie wrote:

This sums up why I think the game is in a dire state. I pay my £350 plus for a season ticket to watch Leeds. We have 5 one man drives and Myler rolls it into touch. The opposition let him because they are scared of touching and knocking on. They feed the scrum , get Leeds offside and as you say score.
Why on earth do I want to watch such safety first boring garbage.
Myler will be under orders and we call it game management and did it plenty under McD and guess the thinking is give us a rest, don't let the better, faster Wigan backs run in space, but it's awful to watch and IMO far too negative and bad tactics. It happens time and again with leeds bunched in midfield, Wigan of whoever push both wingers in and our 1 man drives go nowhere.

Completely agree, the game in general has itself in a dire place right now.